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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by OklahomaGator, Mar 7, 2024.

  1. Gator715

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    So weak.
     
  2. gatorjo

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    Your shallow, thoughtless reply? Or your continued shilling for and defense of a criminal who committed the most un-American act in modern American history?

    Or both?

    Yes, agreed.
     
  3. Gator715

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    It matters a whole lot in terms of contextualizing his actions. If you want to get a ballpark of the amount of people who take Trump at his word, look at his own Administration in addition to the lack of protesters on January 6th despite "Democracy being on the line, and America being at stake."

    An overwhelming majority acknowledges Trump's off the wall crazy talk, but doesn't listen to it as gospel.

    He has stopped. He's worried about 2024 now.

    We also have a whole lot of people buying Biden's BS from the state of the union just last week.

    And frankly while both are lies, the lie that Republicans are responsible for the border crisis is more blatantly false than the lie that Democrats stole the 2020 election via voter fraud.
     
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  4. gatorjo

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    LOL. :)
     
  5. AzCatFan

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    Who blocked the bipartisan border bill again? And didn't Trump recently falsely claim he won NH in 2020?
     
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    Trump does seem to surround himself with particularly bad hombres so even if they testify, he can attack their credibility. Maybe that’s a reason Trump likes to surround himself with such characters. I think Trump was going to claim fraud regardless of the evidence. Whether he actually admitted that to Bannon or others, before or after, I don’t know.
     
  7. Gator715

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    That bill is not why the border is not secure. It's not a funding issue, it's an enforcement issue. And Biden is choosing not to secure the border, just like he chose to undo almost all immigration policy under the Trump Administration almost immediately after entering office.
     
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    To me Trump's belief and mental state is everything here.

    So if it can be proven that he indeed thought exactly like Bannon here, that would definitely be damning.
     
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    We have a huge backlog of asylum cases. The bill would've put money for new judges. How is this not a funding issue?

    And the current wave of immigrants started peaking in 2019. We haven't added more BP since then. Again, how is this not a funding issue?

    Maybe you think Remain in Mexico, a pandemic policy, would help? Well, that was a humanitarian nightmare in 2020. It works be worse now with about 4X the migrants waiting at the border. When would this hit critical mass and what happens then?

    Or maybe you think Biden can change asylum laws by XO? And maybe you think a secure southern border is actually feasible, even though it's never been secure in our history?
     
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    Yes, if only we had more judges and border patrol agents it would all be better. :D

    I'm not saying Trump "fixed" the border crisis, but he handled it much better than Biden has. And the least Biden can do is not overturn all of Trump's policies on immigration on the grounds that they were "too harsh" or "too inhumane" then blame Trump for the fallout that ensues.

    That is laughably ridiculous.
     
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    Proving his intent and state of mind will take work and the weaving together of circumstantial evidence as it does in many cases. That’s assuming we ever get to a trial on this which I am not sure we will. The political bar is different.

    Politically, would it be better or worse if the voters thought he got mad and broke a few laws or rather that he is so untethered from reality that he would have believed anything that Cracken and Rudy told him? I honestly don’t know the answer.
     
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    Machiavellian malice is always more dangerous (and ugly) than mere egomania in my opinion.
     
  13. AzCatFan

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    I'll go with the Libertarian CATO Institute. Trump reduced legal immigration. Accomplished nothing on undocumented immigration. If anything, Trump made it worse. Trump cut aid to Northern Triangle C. American countries. And now, more of them arriving than Mexicans.
     
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    Yes, because paying to support the poor in third world countries is cheaper than securing the border. :rolleyes:

    Tell me... what has Biden done to secure the border... and compare that to what Trump did to secure the border?

    There are always external factors that affect border migration year-to-year.
     
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    If you believe lack of judges are the problem, you're either working PR for the Biden campaign, should be, or think like someone who was actually born yesterday.
     
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    An ounce of prevention. If we can stop the immigrants from coming in the first place and allow them to stay home, we won't have so many arriving at the border. Less at the border, less money needed to handle them.

    And what's your solution to the 1.5 million plus (and counting) waiting for asylum hearings? Keep in mind, these immigrants haven't broken any laws. And we can't arbitrarily change laws and make them retroactive.
     
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    How many of those actually show up for their hearings? The President can't arbitrarily change laws, but it's hard to say that's the case with Biden when he voluntarily overturned basically all Trump immigration policy as soon as he got into office.
     
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    He’s gone
     
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  20. AzCatFan

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    So no answer? Just let them wait? Even if half show up, with more judges, they can be processed faster. But more judges only happens with Congressional action.

    And again, other than racist rhetoric, what did Trump accomplish? Nothing. Border encounters started to spike in 2019. Only the pandemic slowed things. And by the time the pandemic was over, Trump's cutting of aid to C. American countries made them 3 of the top 5 in border arrivals starting in 2021.

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