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Don Jr pronounces GOP dead, says it’s MAGAs now

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by citygator, Mar 11, 2024.

  1. citygator

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    Interesting thoughts from Don Jr on the Republican Party. Curious if conservatives would agree. Is the establishment Republican Party truly dead and replaced by the maga movement now?

     
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  2. VAg8r1

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    Seems that the Crown Prince of the nation of MAGA conceded gloated about what is already obvious.
     
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  3. docspor

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    The war on elites, like most "revolutions" has been a spectacular failure. That's cuz revolution (like irony as a literary device or tool for social criticism) is really only good at clearing the ground/tearing down....useless at best & typically awful at replacing that which it objected to in the first place, so, we usually end up worse off.

    Elites: Miss us yet?
     
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  4. sierragator

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    DING DING DING. We have a winner! Tell him what he's won Johhny!
    Captain Obvious.
     
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  5. wgbgator

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    Ridiculous take. I mean first of all, was the American Revolution "useless at best," and second its hard to call taking over a major political party and wielding power a "spectacular failure" in any sense. ANd I dont think anyone misses Reince Preibus lol
     
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  6. docspor

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    The American rev was IMO a success. I think the pub party example misses (& makes) my pt. Sure, they were good at tearing down the old, but made it a lot worse.
     
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  7. wgbgator

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    Its not even really a revolution, more of like reaping what the party has sown for decades. Do we really miss the elites who thought it was a good idea to empower frauds, chuds and religious weirdos to win elections? Just an outcome of their own making which they never once tried to stop. Its as if Bautista had made Castro his right hand man lol. OR the Czar invited Lenin to run things while on vacation and was like "good job" right before being shot.
     
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  8. oragator1

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    I and many others have said this for years.
    It’s no longer a Conservative Party. It’s a populist one. It’s about what’s best for working class white america and little else.
     
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  9. dangolegators

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    He's not wrong.
     
  10. mrhansduck

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    IMO, the Republican party isn't dead, but it's more and more about one man than a platform of ideas and policy goals. The Republicans who are leaving office aren't leaving because of their positions on the issues but because they aren't sufficiently loyal to the leader. Trump is working to put loyal supporters in as many positions of power as possible, including his own daughter in law who is now co-chair of the RNC.
     
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  11. thomadm

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    The two party system is kind of stupid, so if MAGA wants to break away, fine. We need 3-4 major parties to fix our issues. We have two voices that arent all that palatable and dont get shit done. The "its my way or the highway" legislation and EOs are not good for the majority of Americans.
     
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    I must disagree. It is an oligarchic kleptocracy disguised in populist robes. But what has the Trump family ever done to help or serve the common man, in the history of their existance?


    The Trumpublican party is basically a criminal organization; furthering Trump's lies about fake election fraud, and defending him from rightful accountability are their only goals. Which is why I cant have a SHRED of respect for anyone who votes Trumppublican, until the crime family is gone.
     
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  13. docspor

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    It's basically becoming nothing more than an apparatus to support Trump's fragile ego & need for adoration.
     
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  14. wgbgator

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    Unfortunately, the state of American politics now is probably that this is the best way to have some kind of party discipline in a post-Citizens United world, where the RNC and DNC are basically broke and pointless, and outside money rules and is more influential than party money, which is basically non-existant. I'm not sure what happens when Trump dies, because personality driven politics isnt cut out for successions.
     
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  15. oragator1

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    This is what liberals consistently get wrong about him. From tariffs to protect manufacturing jobs, border control to preserve jobs and “culture”, pushback against liberal ideas that threaten them religiously and culturally among lots of other things…he is the only one speaking for them in many of their minds. It’s why they are so fiercely loyal, and why continually attacking Trump’s character hasn’t worked. They don’t care as long as he continues standing up for them. And why all the charges have made them even more loyal. They view it as an attack on them because it’s their values he is standing for.
    The way to beat Trump is to poke holes in his policies and break that belief by them, not tell them what they already know on who he is. That only steels his support.
     
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  16. wgbgator

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    Nah, I think the plutocrats still get what they want, the 'populism' is just to win votes. Same old Republican politics, really. Still a tax cut and deregulation delivery device. The intellectual conservativism part was all about getting buy in from liberals on policy ideas, and it largely worked because all yall spend hours lamenting the loss of the "old Republican party" and think of guys like Reagan and even GWB favorably. But they don't need that anymore, especially as long as people dont question the legitimacy of the institutions which allow them to rule - the electoral college, the Senate, the courts, etc.
     
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  17. GolphinGator

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    Why would it be about what's best for the white working class but not be good for the black working class?
     
  18. wgbgator

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    The more you and others push this flimsy narrative, the more you will reify it in people heads that they are some kind of haven for the forgotten man instead of a machine to deliver tax cuts and deregulation for the master class. Some people just want to see guys get away with breaking the rules and needling the people they dislike, and Trump is really good at both.
     
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  19. oragator1

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    Some of it is, which is one of the reasons Trump has made headway with black voters. But he is still vilifying minorities to assuage the white working class. “Some very fine people on both sides” after Charlottesville for example. his calls to cut the federal government (which has been the one bullwark for AAs since the 60’s), among other things have kept him from getting very far with them.
     
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  20. oragator1

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    Like I said. This is the exact argument the left should be making. Punch holes in the reasons people are loyal and they will make more headway than they have.
     
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