Sweden officially joins NATO

Peace for us, domination & violence for others. And people wonder why terrorism is a problem!

 

Not unlike the Mary Rose.

 

You said it... The Liberals still don't understand anything about the Pubs and our views on world security. I welcome Sweden to NATO.

 

Sweden is like Germany when it come to manufacturing products. The don't manufacture nearly as much as Germany does, but the products (military in general) they make are state of the art good. They are into making quality products like Germany does.

Now... all they have to do is make more if it.

I welcome Sweden to NATO, better late than never. Especially with Putin getting close to China on trade deals and other global considerations/ambitions.

 

So in your mind we should dismantle nato so we have peace for… no one? Equal lack of peace? I really don’t get your premise at all. You are discrediting one of the most successful alliances in history because it didn’t solve world peace????

 

I don't get your premise, is it that if NATO didn't exist right now, the whole world would be a warzone or something? France would suddenly annex Liechtenstein? I think my point was that if 30 odd countries can find a way not to have wars with each other, it seems possible that you could do that with all the other ones too.

 

yes in a perfect world there would be one global alliance and no war at all. I don’t think anyone would argue against that being a wonderful ideal.

To your other question, I do think the last few decades would have been much more tumultuous without nato. Yes for sure. Without getting into endless what ifs I assume the Soviet Union and the west would have had far more direct conflict at minimum.

ok so I guess we’re in agreement - nato has promoted western stability and we just wish it could do more?

 

Why would you assume that? There is plenty of evidence the Soviets wanted some kind of 'peace' with the US postwar (I mean we were allies afterall), and the US wasnt particularly determined to go down that path either. But between our determination to keep the atomic bomb to our strategic advantage and the influence of George Kennan on US policy, we didnt go down that path. We only made NATO 'necessary' because of our actions to make the USSR and communism an enemy. Of course Americans love to pretend our actions dont matter, its just other people reacting to us doing whatever we want that is 'aggression.'

George F. Kennan - Wikipedia

'Containment' was invented by us, because we wanted a sphere of influence. I guess if you operate from a position that by virtue of our power we should have a sphere of influence, everything you says makes sense. But I dont think its our right to dominate others. There is definitely a version of the world where the Cold War doesnt happen, but instead we went down a path where millions of people were killed in proxy wars, political purges and genocides. But I guess that's the price of world peace! Maybe many people would have died with other choices made too, but those are all counterfactual and cant be answered.

 

Ok?

 

I want

Actually I believe Taylor Swift is an authority on this if you need Expert information!

 

I guess this is how you can support someone like Trump. You just invent a more reasonable Trump in your mind that doesn't really exist.

 

LOL...because we have to wait for Trump to tell you what to think....and that changes based on what he had for dinner or if a woman of power insulted him.

 

Will we start taking now ?


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