Also in unrelated news, it appears the right wing disinformation campaign has taken root in San Francisco as well and city residents have voted in tougher policing for crime that we are told is going down. Interesting that San Fran residents also seem to lack the ability to understand the nuance of a complex situation . In similar fashion to their New York colleagues, San Fran residents are apparently compelled to ignore hard statistical data and act on their inaccurate ‘feelings’ of being unsafe Voters show strong support for San Francisco measures to compel drug treatment, expand police powers
Wow. That’s a whole lot of hostility over the fact that New York is trying to make its subways safer. Geez
The leftists don't even put illegals on trail for crimes, and Americans like that young woman at UGA are getting murdered becasue of their incompetence. What makes us think they are going to tell us the truth about all crime levels in their city/state.
Haven’t been to NYC in years but remember being on the subway in the late 80’s, and it felt a little rough to me as a 10 year old from NW Florida. It seems like we have increased security in several if not most public spaces such as airports, schools, and courthouses. We can and should debate the costs and benefits of specific security measures and also have to keep constitutional rights in mind. In any event, the subway is an important and IMO cool part of public transit, and people have the right to feel safe on there.
1. The statistics, taken at face value, show that certain crimes are down...and others are up. If you happen to be the person who gets mugged I don't think you're sitting on the street saying "So glad murders are down slightly." Assaults, grand larceny, stabbings and slashings are all up. 52 less murders, year to date - and that's great. 235 more stabbings and slashings, not so good. So, you have the lesser of 52 people dead (usually drug/alcohol involved and known to assailant) who couldn't speak any longer anyway and well over 200+ more people talking about what a craphole NYC is becoming. Stats can be manipulated. 2. And, if you think there's never any pressure politically to make things seem rosier then I would say you're naive. And, I'm not calling out Blue-city or Red-state here. I'm saying that if you're employed at the whim of the Mayor you're more likely to produce results (including statistics) that the mayor likes. Example: have you not noticed news items that say: 250,000 jobs were created, more than expected and everyone is high fiving each other and then in a month or two there is a "correction" and the number was actually 116,000 jobs - less than expected? Happens. All. The. Time. Lies, damned lies, and statistics. Most people install a home security system after they, or a nearby neighbor, has an incident or break-in. NY is not deploying the National Guard because things are better.
Overall, crime is down in NYC. Crime hasn't dropped, however, on the subway system. Both statements can be, and are true. There's no reason they cannot both be true. And NYC cracking down on crime on the subway isn't necessarily evidence that crime elsewhere is up. It's not. Was in NYC over the summer for a week. My cousin, who lives in the city, warned us about the subway. Said we should taxi or Uber instead. The city above ground was safe. Below still had issues. Honestly, we ignored her advise. The subway is an experience.
There are some things that are right in here. One issue with crime stats is that "crime" is a relatively undefined metric. Overall, crimes are down, but you do have to consider weighting. Obviously, murder is the most serious, but things get a lot more sketchy when you get down to different types of assault. It should be noted that feelings are a lot more easily manipulated than stats. A good example of feelings being manipulated. The opposite has regularly happened as well (where the initial announcement was 116,000 and it turned out to be 250,000). And yet, you remember one but not the other. Why? Because we don't remember when the plane lands. That is how feelings develop that differ from empirical evidence. Not because somebody is manipulating the empirical evidence, in general. No, they are doing it because a series of common biases have resulted in the perception of crime increasing when it hasn't.
Responding to Post #30 mdgator05 1. Thanks - feelings and stats can be manipulated. We agree. 2. It's an example - not intended to provide every and any possible outcome; so, I didn't "remember one and not the other" I gave an example of the fact that statistics today are often revised tomorrow. 3. As ATLGatorfan has mentioned all those folks being manipulated via their "series of common biases" is fascinating. "Nothing to see here; but, hey, let's up the number of police-like people needed to stem the tide until these common biases subside."
Hilarious that some people on this thread don’t understand the concept of localized hotspots for crime. That was facetious as we all know they do but are being disingenuous. The same people would never claim falling crime rates in the US means every state, county or city has falling rates.
Why? Are you trying to suggest that the only reason that you don't break into houses is because of locks? Or trying to somehow intimidate me? This whole exchange is quite odd.
In terms of #2, perhaps you remember both. But I will guarantee you that over an entire population, people will remember the 250-116 switch more than the 116-250 switch. That is because of a pretty well documented bias. And yes, governments often act on people's feelings, which are heavily driven by a variety of biases and a lack of complete information due to a variety of factors. Change the context and no way would people argue this.
Crime overall is down but transit crime up 40%. I guess all the homeless, crazy and border jumpers need a safe space to hang out.
Hard one to keep straight. Guess now it’s justified to deploy national guard for low level crime. My 4yo is old enough to remember when that specific action was considered ‘misuse of the military ‘ Trump threatens to deploy military as George Floyd protests continue to shake the U.S.
Are you second guessing her? Is it because she's a democratic governor? She didn't view it as "low level" crime. NY is a major tourist destination, and subways need to be kept as safe as airports. Besides, this is not the same as using the military to quell a riot or free speech Don't conservatives like to trumpet law and order? Of course they do, and were it a conservative governor doing the same thing, conservatives would undoubtedly applaud it.
