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Florida officials move to ban people from sleeping on public property

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by gaterzfan, Mar 2, 2024.

  1. gaterzfan

    gaterzfan GC Hall of Fame

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    IF passed, it will be interesting to see how this legislation is implemented in each city and county. I expect there will be legal challenges if the is legislation is passed and signed. Interesting feature ...... that citizens can sue governments that don't follow the law but that could lead to a significant increase in civil actions in those cities that do a poor job of policing the unhoused staying on public property.

    As Florida advances camping ban, Orlando’s homeless ask, ‘Where are we supposed to go?’ (msn.com)

    "Florida Republicans have prioritized legislation this year forcing cities and counties to ban public sleeping, which also authorizes residents, business owners and the state attorney general to bring civil action against governments that turn a blind eye.

    Bills laying out the plans have soared through committees in the House and Senate, and Republicans passed the legislation through the House on Friday. The Senate is due to take the issue up next week, putting it on the fast track to Gov. Ron DeSantis’ desk by the time the session is due to close March 8. DeSantis has endorsed the plans.

    The proposals allow counties to create permanent encampments, where all of an area’s unsheltered population would be directed. The legislation requires such encampments to have 24-hour security, clean restrooms, water, behavioral health services and case managers."

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    "Our bill doesn’t prescribe criminal penalties. We leave it to the local jurisdictions to make a determination on what is the best way to address the problem,” said Rep. Sam Garrison, a Republican from Fleming Island, this week. “They can go wherever they want. They just cannot stay on public property overnight, or public right of way or public buildings.”
     
  2. Orange_and_Bluke

    Orange_and_Bluke Premium Member

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    Head west…California will take ya.
     
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  4. ursidman

    ursidman VIP Member

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    I like that the bill will provide some needed amenities. I wonder if citizens can sue governments that dont provide them the same way they can sue governments that allow overnight camps on public property.
     
  5. channingcrowderhungry

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    I'd like for them to help solve the homeless problem, but this ain't it.
     
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  6. sierragator

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    Camps or greyhound therapy to places Desantis doesn't like?
     
  7. ncargat1

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    More "pro-life" BS from the Republi-ban Terror Group.

    Where are all the phony Christians who post here all the time about how they are so "pro-life"?? This is your answer??

    Well, since most you hypocrites are Republi-ban and do not know the first thing about Christianity, I will leave this here for you to ponder (despite running counter to the commands of the Orange god and his minions like Meatball Ron):

    - Mathew 25:34-40
     
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  8. Orange_and_Bluke

    Orange_and_Bluke Premium Member

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    Thou shall not sleep under the bridge near my house.
     
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  9. GatorRade

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    I think you raise a valid point that our ideals don’t always seem to match the language of the legislation we support. And I personally think this particular policy is unlikely to be useful for achieving anyone’s desired ends.

    I do also think that in order to be properly fair to the people of which you speak, we should recognize that different levels of organization call for different modes of organization. The behavior that I would most want my child to exhibit toward a person in need sitting in front of her isn’t necessarily the same that we should want as a national policy geared toward all persons. At larger scales, these are extremely complex problems that call for very nuanced solutions. One isn’t necessarily a hypocrite to call for personal compassion at the same time as supporting reduced levels of government welfare.
     
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  10. Trickster

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    We know now of at least one non-Christian: the one who gave you the come on man. SMH!
     
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  11. Spurffelbow833

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    It'll only work if it works both ways.
     
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  12. gaterzfan

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    Probably, if Florida' constitution or statutes require state and/or local government to provide shelter (or a place to sleep) for the unhoused. I guess the question is ..... what is the legal obligation of government in Florida to provide "a place to sleep" to people who cannot not find a place that is not "public property"?
     
  13. G8trGr8t

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    Is the state providing funding for the camps?
     
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  14. rivergator

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    Is there a reason that shouldn’t be left up to the towns and cities?
     
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  15. GatorNorth

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    This is where the state focused its efforts instead of trying to do something about a problem facing everyone, like runaway insurance costs?

    Seems like a solution in search of a problem to me, and one better left to local officials.
     
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    This was the case in years past, (sleeping on sidewalks, etc) then court decisions and lawsuits….. Curious what they have added to the laws to help. Too lazy to read up on the recent decade of laws….. ;)
     
  17. gaterzfan

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    Is there?

     
  18. anstro76

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    They've passed a bill similar to this for the entire state of Tennessee. I can tell you first hand working in an emergency department in Knoxville. It's not working. The state is not doing much to provide all the so-called amenities for the unhoused that it promised. And there's only two to three homeless shelters available, that I wouldn't use for a humane society.
     
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  19. ncargat1

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    This bill is not addressing any "support" for people in need. This bill is strictly an attempt to remove the "unclean masses" from our sights and make it increasingly difficult for those people to live in Florida so they leave. Nothing more and there is nothing nuanced about that.

    Further, it is blatant hypocrisy from politicians and Too Hot posters alike who thump their chests and throw out some BS slogan like "pro-life" and then turn around and make laws not to help the very life they claimed to be "pro", but rather make it harder on that life. So much so, maybe they just leave and become someone else's problem.
    These are the very same hypocrites and cowards who posted on this very board that they would gladly open their homes and take in the unwanted babies rather than see them be aborted. Here they are.....hypocrites move.
     
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  20. gaterzfan

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    Under the Florida bill, it will be up to county governments to provide locations for the unhoused. If they fail to do, citizens have a right to sue the county for its failure, that’s the enforcement. Seems if a county doesn’t provide such location for the unhoused, there’s no enforcement until a resident dues. Wonder what the civil penalty will be?

     
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