You and others here are defending $53M/year for what you admit is a diversity dog & pony show? Shutting that down is only a bad look in the eyes of liberals. And we wonder what to do about our spiraling debt….smh
I appreciate what you’re saying here, but competence is not inherently inconsistent with valuing diversity. Couple of examples: many believe we should encourage more men to go into education due to their relatively low numbers and the need for kids to have male role models. Another example is the critical role that our female soldiers and Muslim soldiers had in interacting with civilian populations in places like Afghanistan and Iraq. A third example is having police departments that are somewhat representative of the communities they serve. I think there are benefits to each of these ideas that do not require lowering standards.
Black enrollment at UF is lower than black % of the state’s population? And the reason for that is a lack of DEI programs? Think how ludicrous that is
If Florida is so bad then why not move to one of the blue states? Oh wait. That's right. The democraps ruined their blue states with their leftist policies and move in droves to superior red states just like east Germans fled to west Germany or how Cubans and Venezuelans move to other countries.
Another one added to ignore. I’m sure you have all your proof showing this as well that you can gladly post in the Covid thread we have dedicated to that discussion. Feel free to post it in there so people like me can continue to rip you to shreds, but I won’t be able to see it. Done with you misinformation peddlers.
What's the ROI on the $53 million? Universities want high achieving students who will go on to graduate and give back to the school. These are high LTV (lifetime value) students. If some of these students decide to go elsewhere because of the lack of DEI at Florida, they are likely to be replaced with students with a lower LTV. At a lower LTV of $10k, that's only 5,300 students needed to make up the $53 million. What's average tuition for a semester? Average alumni yearly donation? Total students accepted every year? Get these numbers and it probably won't be hard to justify the $53 million DEI expenditure at all, especially if UF sees persistence and grad percentage falling in the future. Then there's the academic side. How many professors may leave or may not come after this decision. The best professors are very profitable for a school. Younger ones just starting with very long careers may be hesitant to be associated with UF right now and the perceived anti-DEI stance. Yes, donations from people who like this decision may go up to offset some of the loss, but that's likely short term only. And won't make up the LTV of the potential loss of students who have a much longer lifetime ahead of giving. In short, it's not just a bad look. It's bad business.
That is an overly simplistic analysis. Here is something that gets closer to the truth: People used to be dead afraid that they had 1/16th black heritage because then they would be considered black. Now people are afraid that they don’t have 1/16th black heritage because that would leave them on the outside looking in with respect to the DEI benefits gravy train. Rachel Dolezal didn’t have it, so she dressed in black face.
You appear to be making assumptions about DEI efforts, while acknowledging that you don't know what DEI programs do. For example, if The Center for Inclusion and Multicultural Engagement assists with removing barriers for black and Hispanic students, would that be a bad thing? The Office for Accessibility and Gender Equity helps to prevent violence against women, while ensuring Title IX compliance. For or against Title IX, it is federal law and the university will either comply or suffer potentially severe consequences. The Disability Resource Center also appears under the umbrella of "Inclusive Excellence" at UF. Should those efforts be compromised? Perhaps part of the issue lies in your belief that such efforts are "generically admirable." A deeper look may suggest that such efforts make real differences for the students, faculty, staff, etc.
I was very clear about my disclaimers and qualifiers. Having said that Slayering who I think works at UF in post 194 seems to agree with me. Some of the more worthwhile objectives may be able to be achieved elsewhere and in some other wrapper than DEI.
The suggestion was that black enrollment was already low and that it might dip further due to the elimination of DEI programs. What do you expect the impact of eliminating such programs will be on black enrollment at UF?
Florida really is suffering under this government and new administration. 67k applications for the 2024 class. I do enjoy reading through these threads and being reminded by @GatorJMDZ how smart he is though. Good stuff.
For once, we agree. You’re right, this is DeSantis’ bad. He should never have stressed DEI and never have hired Lamb.
The blame is on departments seeking to promote fairness of outcomes. Fairness of opportunities is very important, but unfortunately most "DEI" efforts are not about that.
This is exactly right. However, I'm trying to take advantage of the current environment and demand that I'm guaranteed a roster spot on the Lakers in the name of "equity" and "inclusion". After all, I take one look at the Lakers current roster and I feel "triggered" and excluded simply because I'm a 6' white guy with virtually no vertical leap. I'm a victim, right? Resources should be allocated to guarantee my roster spot or the Lakers should be "cancelled".
Exactly! This is just a chance to mmm for those who have the side effect of the shot to melt down over one of the people in public health that has been ahead of the curve the entire time. Look how Europe has basically followed Ladapo’s lead on guidance. While not all the way to where he is. They are far more in line with Ladapo than our idiots at the cdc.
Meritocracy is color-blind. Every qualified, deserving person wins regardless of the color of their skin.
