U.S. Defense Secretary under Trump says help Ukraine now, or count on fighting costlier wars later (something I've been saying for a couple years now). If you can't trust Trump's Defense Secretary, whom can you trust? Trump trusted him to defend the country. Do MAGA republicans think they are smarter than Trump? (I think I am, but I am not a Trump republican.) Opinion: We must help Ukraine now or fight costlier wars later | CNN
What do you mean by “lucked out”? The US Marines didnt luck out of anything in the Pacific. Never mind, it’s off topic!
Umm, one involves sending of weapons, ammunition, and needed supplies, and the other involves sending of weapons, ammunition, and needed supplies. So yes, I am comparing the two, even though the packaging of the supplies might be different, with different type-faces on the address labels. Would you feel more comfortable comparing what we're doing in Ukraine right now with the moon landings? The building of the Hoover Dam and the development of the Dam Tour?
Maybe you would be happy if the U.S. stopped at the same value of equipment that we sent to England and Russia during WWII? We sent over $773 billion in today's dollars in military hardware and supplies to our allies during WWII. Have we spent that much on Ukraine yet? Lend-Lease - Wikipedia
The meds you have to be on. Unfortunately, history doesn't support your thesis here. Lend-Lease didn't start until 9 months before Pearl Harbor. By March of 1941, millions of people had already been killed in WW2. Hitler had conquered almost all of Europe and a good chunk of the USSR. So at that point, yes, it made sense to start Lend-Lease and to form an alliance with the Soviets, because the inevitability was carved in granite. Even then, we didn't send our boys over there. Japan forced our hand. You have to be a complete idiot to compare this to Lend-Lease and WW2. And in fact we benefitted by staying OUT of WW2 for as long as we did, because it gave time for the Russians to soften up the Nazis. By the time we landed on Normandy, Stalin had already liberated Ukraine.
Rick Newman points out the ridiculous logic behind the republicans demanding "America First". The ridiculous logic blocking vital funding for Ukraine
The meds you should probably be on . . . Of course we didn't start Lend-Lease immediately. We had to convert factories from making cars to making tanks. That doesn't happen overnight. You can't just slap a turret and tracks on a Ford family sedan and call it a tank and send it off to battle. We also had to design better equipment, since it was obvious that Germany in particular (but also Japan) had much better hardware than we did. That doesn't happen overnight either, although we did start the flow of hardware with outdated equipment. No one is talking about sending "our boys" over to Ukraine. Get that out of your head. Sending soldiers to the war zone and fighting a proxy war are two different things. Stalin was able to push Germany back past Ukraine BECAUSE of Lend-Lease aid. His troops survived the winter of '43 because he received 15 million pairs of insulated boots, and his tanks had U.S.-supplied synthetic motor oil in the engines, and Hitler's tanks did not. The Normandy landings happened much later (June, 1944). So, yes, the comparison with Ukraine and Lend-Lease is a valid one. I'm sorry you're not smart enough to understand that.
If you ever read in depth about the early months in the pacific, from Pearl Harbor to Midway, yeah... that could have gone way differently than it did. Regardless, my original point still stands. Your argument is hilariously bad, because we spent most of the first year of WW2 arming people to fight our enemy - which you said was smart then, but somehow it's not smart now... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
It was smart then, because it was a real world war. It wasn't a territorial dispute that has been stalemated for nearly two years. Although, I see you're trying very hard to make it a world war, but it's not anything resembling 1941. If we keep listening to you, it'll be one, but it should be duly noted that it is nothing like WW2 at all...right now.
ww2 wasn’t ww2… until it was. Believe me I don’t want ww3 but if we let this spill out of Ukraine it very easily could be. keeping Russia from winning is key to preventing ww3. You have to do that without western military intervention. That means sending supplies.
Indisputable: while Russia almost entirely independent in sustaining its weapons supply, Ukraine is almost entirely dependent on the West for sustaining its weapons supplies.
Ukraine shoots down three more Su-34's, making six warplanes shot down in three days. Not bad. Ukraine says it has shot down three more Russian warplanes
So it's o.k. for Russia to pick off its neighbors one at a time, as long as they finish one war before starting the next one. Gotcha. Heaven forbid we do anything that might cause a WORLD WAR! A slow surrender of freedom and civilization is much preferable, apparently. I recall that when Germany invaded Poland, it was just one country, and no one fired a shot at the Germans. England and France agreed that what Germany did was wrong, so they declared war on Germany, but they did nothing. (It was called the Phony War.) They later realized that it would have been very easy to disable and stop Germany in its tracks had they invaded in 1940 and taken over the Ruhr River valley, where most of its steel (plus artillery barrels, etc.) was manufactured. They waited, and Germany became more capable and confident in its abilities (and they continued to upgrade their military technology and increase their manufacturing output). Half of Europe sat on the sidelines and continued to supply Germany with raw materials for the war effort, including Sweden, Switzerland, and Spain; they were afraid they would be next to be invaded if they stopped supplying Germany. Same thing here with Russia. The easiest time to defeat Russia is right now. If you play games with Russia or ignore them, they will just get stronger and more confident in their ability to take over the region. And they will not stop until someone stops them. Putin views himself as one of the great conquering czars of old, and your cowardice is helping him with his conquests. He thanks you for your contribution to the new Russian Empire. Some day you will be proud to call yourself an American. Today's not it.
Love ya Chem but France invaded Western Germany, (in force, several divisions) during the Polish Campaign, went 5 miles (or kilometers) stopped and went back to France. One of the great "What ifs" of WW2.
O.k., the French went on parade. Probably not unexpected for the French. Nothing significant is what I meant.
I actually visited the factory in Essen, Germany last year where Alfred Krupp's company made the steel and artillery barrels. The factory consisted of several enormous buildings over an area of six square miles in the middle of the city. Most of the buildings have been re-purposed. I also visited Krupp's mansion in Essen, which is still standing (it wasn't destroyed by Allied bombing). He made his home completely out of steel and stone (no wood) in the 1800's because one of his massive wooden factory buildings burned down. It was so cold in winter that his wife left him and moved to Bavaria and never returned. His kids and grandkids put wood in the house.
The U.S. Navy was extremely lucky in the Pacific, especially considering that they had no idea how to make a quality torpedo until 1943 or later. (They went through the 30's making thousands of torpedoes, but never tested one. They decided it was too expensive to test the torpedoes, so they assumed they would work. They didn't.) We were fortunate to have broken the Japanese naval code, and not have the Japanese suspect it, even after Midway. And the navy was fortunate to have all the bomber squadrons at Midway get lost on the way to the Japanese carriers, and then they all found the carriers with perfect timing, with the useless torpedo bombers arriving first and taking the combat air patrol out of position and getting them low on fuel right before the dive bombers arrived to sink the four carriers. That is a one-in-a-million type deal right there.
Putin believes the West is a declining force, ripe for the taking. When told that Putin demanded that the cowardly Americans bow before him as their new master, republicans in Congress heroically and defiantly responded, "How low shall we bow, master? Is this low enough?" The most terrifying thing about Putin is not that he’s delusional, but that he might be right
