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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. slayerxing

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    we lucked out a bit in ww2 in the pacific and idk how you can say we played that smart by arming people against an aggressor while also telling me we shouldn’t be arming people against an aggressor today. Typical dumb Republican logic.
     
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  2. duggers_dad

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    When did Democrats become the warmongers ?

    Oh, right. They were the original warmongers.
     
  3. ursidman

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    The world to Speaker Johnson: Pass the freaking support for Ukraine.
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    ⚡️Speakers from 23 parliaments have appealed to the Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, Johnson, urging him to consider the bill passed by the Senate, which provides for the allocation of $60 billion to #Ukraine, the Speaker of the Ukrainian Parliament Stefanchuk said.
     
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  4. PITBOSS

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    all he needs to do is bring it to the floor for a vote. He’s too scared of Dear Leader. What Dear Leader decides, dictates what his followers will believe. And other world leaders sending Mike that info will just make him dig his heels in more. It just feeds into maga conspiracies of a NWO.
     
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  5. sierragator

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    and whether intended or not, doing a solid for Putin.
     
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  6. danmanne65

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    So isn’t supplying Ukraine similar to lend lease. I know better than to respond to you.
     
  7. ursidman

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    Janet Yellen at the G20:
    (Let Russia fund Ukraine’s resistance)

    Our coalition, representing more than half of the global economy, took action to immobilize $285 billion in Russia sovereign assets and jointly affirmed this money will remain frozen until Russia pays for the immense damage it has caused. My European colleagues have now taken an important first step to harness windfall proceeds from Russian sovereign assets, an action I fully endorse.

    I also believe it is necessary and urgent for our coalition to find a way to unlock the value of these immobilized assets to support Ukraine’s continued resistance and long-term reconstruction. While we should act together and in a considered way, I believe there is a strong international law, economic, and moral case for moving forward. This would be a decisive response to Russia’s unprecedented threat to global stability. It would make clear that Russia cannot win by prolonging the war and would incentivize it to come to the table to negotiate a just peace with Ukraine.

    https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy2124
     
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  8. duggers_dad

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    The Good War was not.
     
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  10. chemgator

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    Do you know that little about our nation's history? While the U.S. did not get involved militarily until Pearl Harbor, we were not "uninvolved" and watching from the sidelines up to that point. Someone named "FDR" declared that the U.S. would be "the arsenal of democracy" for the rest of the world, and he used something called the "Lend-Lease Act" to send huge amounts of weapons, ammunition, and needed supplies to countries like "England" and "Russia". You have heard about countries named England and Russia, haven't you? They are on the map. I promise. Had we not sent those supplies to England and Russia, it is almost certain that both countries would have been overrun by Nazi Germany. Even Stalin and Churchill believed this. And if those two countries were overrun, all of Europe falls, and there is likely no way that the U.S. could invade Europe and successfully dislodge Germany from the rest of Europe. You would have to be fairly ignorant to think an amphibious invasion of Europe (from somewhere other than England) with only Canada as an ally would be successful.

    So what is this that Biden is trying to do with the Ukraine War? Seems like he is trying to supply them with weapons, ammunition, and needed supplies. Hmmm, where did I hear that phrase before? Oh, yeah, I just said it--the U.S. did the exact same thing during WWII before they put troops on the ground and helped defeat Nazi Germany.

    To summarize: you think the U.S. was successful during WWII by waiting to send in troops while sending huge amounts of military aid to our allies, and you think we should do the same thing in Ukraine, except you do not want to send any weapons, ammunition, or needed supplies. We'll just send "Get Well Soon" cards to them. Is that it?

    I would like to thank you for clarifying the level of ignorance that we are dealing with when we respond to your posts. That helps.
     
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  11. duggers_dad

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    Apparently there are still people who read “arsenal of democracy” and don’t break out in derisive laughter.
     
  12. chemgator

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    It was good enough. And we didn't start the fire. If you want to look somewhere for the lack of "goodness" in WWII, I would suggest you start with Nazi Germany and Japan. They DID start the fire. Even Japanese and Germans readily acknowledge this.
     
  13. chemgator

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    They are called intelligent people.
     
  14. duggers_dad

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    You’re unable (or unwilling) to rise above the level of Cowboys and Injuns. For you it can’t be more nuanced than good people vs people who woke up evil one morning. You should be embarrassed that you’re not embarrassed.
     
  15. duggers_dad

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    Ask our proxies how they’re enjoying the democracy we spread to them.
     
  16. slayerxing

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    BOOM. Thank you
     
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  17. okeechobee

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    Wow. "We lucked out" in WW2. I mean, other than the fact you could make that argument for every major war victor ever, it's a really stupid thing to say.
     
  18. chemgator

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    The British and French certainly seem happy with the democracy they were able to restore after Germany's defeat, not to mention the Dutch, Belgians, and Norwegians. Even the Germans are happy with democracy. The Russians never did understand or appreciate democracy (they're barbarians), so that's on them. What's the problem? Do you have any evidence that the citizens of these democratic countries would rather have a dictatorship, or a communist oligarchy, or complete anarchy?
     
  19. chemgator

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    I know the circumstances and pressures on Japan and Germany during the 1930's, but none of that nuance excuses invading other countries. I feel sorry for anyone dull enough to excuse murderous conquest just because the people were suffering a bit. The U.S. struggled with the Great Depression, too, and at no time did we feel a need to invade Canada or Mexico. And no, I'm not embarrassed. If you've ever taken a history class, YOU should be embarrassed. Your parents should probably be a little embarrassed, too.
     
  20. G8trGr8t

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    new sanctions to cut oil exports to India. these are past due but will likely raise the cost of oil as less oil goes into the global market

    US sanctions to damage India’s oil supply from Russia (msn.com)

    The recent US sanctions on Russia threaten its oil sales to India, making it more difficult for Indian state refiners to secure annual supply deals with its largest seaborne crude oil supplier, three industry sources told Reuters.

    On 23 February, which marked two years since Russia invaded Ukraine, the US Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) sanctioned almost 300 individuals and entities in response to the death of Russia’s opposition politician and activist Aleksey Navalny.

    The OFAC has targeted Joint Stock Company Sovcomflot (Sovcomflot), Russia’s state-owned shipping company and fleet operator, to “reduce Russia’s revenue from oil sales”.

    “We take the next step by targeting Russia’s largest state-owned shipping company and fleet operator, dealing a huge blow to their shadow operations,” Deputy Secretary of US Treasury Wally Adeyemo said in a press release. “We are entering the next phase of increasing Russia’s costs in a responsible manner to mitigate risks,” he added.