Tennessee NIL Infractions?

Because if contracts are written correctly and the rights hoops are jumped through, pay for play happens by circumventing the intent of the rule. The only thing is, it can’t be called pay for play, but we all know it is and has been for a very long time.

 

I'm not sure... making money as a student athlete works after you sign on to play for a team, not before you're even on a roster. Name, Image and Likeness is a way to make money AS A STUDENT ATHLETE. The NIL is not tool, or an enticement, to get high school kids or others to sign on to play for a team. That's pretty clear to me. I might have to read that SCOTUS ruling on that.

But I do think the NCAA has standing in a pay-for-play case.

 

At the most basic because they're a third party. The only reason the NCAA ever had any power is because their members agreed to abide by the rules in a thin veil to keep all the revenue. Well now the members want to win games by letting top players earn money to play in the most asinine roundabout way possible.

 

Of course pay for play is against the rules but almost every nil is exactly tgat. It’s just not written that way and kids are free to leave and aren’t bound to the school.

 

Very interesting article. However, one thing keeps popping up both in the press and from posters on message boards about collective bargaining (employment) being able to "fix" the problem. What most people don't realize is that collective bargaining by the NCAA as a whole would destroy the organization and probably still be in violation of anti-trust statutes. Each individual member (like GM, Ford, and Stellantis) would have to individually collectively bargain, but as of now who would they bargain with? I'm sure the SEIU would love to sign up potential college players, but each set of players at each institution would have to organize per NLRB rules. Additionally recruits would have no vote on whether to organize, only existing players/employees. Lastly every State has different rules about unions (some are right to work States, others have closed-shop rules, etc.) so no parity will suddenly exist in this "fixed" scenario.

Personally, I think that the NCAA knows full well that changing the rules to allow players to be employees and collectively bargain will either destroy the NCAA completely or boil it down to just the top 50-60 football playing schools. None of the rest will be able to hire athletes to perform for their institution. Doing so would be financially disastrous for the institution, and they would surely leave the NCAA and/or drop sports entirely if forced to hire athletes to play for their schools.

The blow-back from the likely end-point of all of this garbage that is the saddest is that lots of scholarship opportunities for kids that wouldn't normally be able to attend college will disappear. Some would argue that they should've never appeared in the first place, but history shows that ~ 99% of all football scholarship athletes don't make an NFL roster and at least the ones that had the common sense to earn a degree will have a powerful tool at their disposal to be able to support themselves in life.

 

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gree with you for the most part but Ivy League still exists as would many other schools who don’t pay players as it is. Many schools don’t even have football teams yet they have sports programs. It would change considerably but girls will somehow still play softball, soccer and basketball.

 

My point is that the NCAA can't make a rule allowing employment of athletes and keep all of the existing non-revenue schools under their umbrella. They would be forced to leave if they didn't want to pay athletes. The current NCAA would either de-facto or actually cease to exist.

 

Wouldn’t surprise me if 50 or so teams broke away. They don’t belong playing teams that don’t have programs on their level anyway.

 

While you are absolutely correct, what the school and the player will say to the NCAA on the above bolded part, "PROVE IT".

 

What? People use woke like bad guys use baba yaga in John Wick.

 

They can't, which is why they loose every case. Surprising to see so many posters opposed to a free market.

 

I think its because a lot of people (myself included) live in or wish they lived in the past where Universities and Colleges were pretty strictly in the business of educating students. A free market didn't work in that paradigm.

Now that they have jumped off that ideal in pursuit of TV revenue, Federally guaranteed student loans, and free-flowing federal research funding, they have transitioned into primarily giant revenue generating institutions where the free-market really should apply. The paradigm from what we grew up with though will shift dramatically as that happens (we're seeing it in revenue athletics in real-time). I won't shed a tear for any of them (greedy colleges or greedy athletes). They've done this to themselves by letting their primary mission, educating students, wither and become second tier.

 

The NCAA is pretty much toothless.. just like the vols.

 

Same thing they’ve been saying all along

 

I think Florida is doing a very good job of living up to the educational part of the university, which is the main thing anyway. Just because they put money into a football team that floats itself really has nothing to do with the other

 

I know it sucks to "loose" every case, especially to a biased dolly judge.

But there are these crazy things called appellate courts.

For all of you stupid Russian Serfs that want to bayonet the Czar and his family, and burn down everything in the process, what is the alternative?

I am as big a critic of the NCAA as anyone, but what is your alternative?

You have none.

There has to be a governing body of some sort, for college athletics. Period.

 

Huh? I completely agree there needs to be a governing body, but that has nothing to do with the NCAA's shaky at best legal standing to enforce any NIL rules. Even a step further I don't think the free market is the correct answer to every economic problem either, I mean the most popular sport is one heavily regulated to create an even playing field.

The reason I don't care about the NCAA falling apart is because the entire situation is of their own making. The current chaos is unsustainable IMHO, so sooner or later there will need to be a structure put in place (most likely not the NCAA) to regulate and enforce rules.

 

Well. If they had an ounce integrity and the power , it could be a good thing but they have neither. The sports programs have created a system of corruption and they are the ncaa.