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Trump's Troubles

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by G8trGr8t, Feb 13, 2021.

  1. Gatorhead

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    Like it or not G8tr, my own personal conclusion is that Trump will run again.
    The courts and especially the Supreme Court will never prevent that.

    Once again the American public get to vote for or against this man.

    At least this time, unlike the first time, Americans should know exactly what they are getting.

    Trumps fate lies in the hands of either outright winning or being shielded from the ramafications
    of his illegal actions by the supreme court. Losing the election portends rough sailing ahead for Trump,
    IMO. Winning means a catastrophe with unimaginable consequences for the American system of Gov't and it's
    citizens. Including for most (old school) conservatives.
     
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  2. dangolegators

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    Small changes in the margins make big differences in the end result. If you have candidate A with 10 votes and candidate B with 10 votes, that's a 50-50 tie. If just 1 person switches their vote, it's a 55-45 blowout. If just one person decides not to vote at all, it's a comfortable 52.6 to 47.4 win. That's why polls this early are so unreliable.
     
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  3. G8trGr8t

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    this is where I feel that Obama needs to get actively involved to encourage voter turnout.
     
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  4. G8trGr8t

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    if he is convicted of a felony before election day, does that disqualify him from being on the ballot?
     
  5. AzCatFan

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    And to further the point about S. Carolina being at least a yellow flag for Trump, the majority of the undecideds broke for Haley. Most national polls have around 10% undecided, or more. If the S. Carolina primary is indicative of what will happen in November, Trump won't win over too many of these undecideds. And those that vote, will either vote third party or vote Biden.

    While Biden might not be the most charismatic guy, I think the Trump brings almost as many anti-Trump voters out as he does supporters. Just look at 2020. Biden wasn't charismatic then either, but won more votes than any POTUS in history. The closer things get to November, and the closer a second Trump Presidency may become, I think that will motivate people who are undecided to stop that from happening. These are the same people who weren't enthused about a H. Clinton Presidency, and didn't vote for her, or didn't vote for anyone in 2016. They were plenty energized to vote against Trump in 2020, and I think this will happen again this year.
     
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  6. mikemcd810

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    I agree with this and would further add that people who only casually follow politics, and don't care to hear about it on a day to day basis, are going to be more inclined to vote against Trump because otherwise there's some new thing with him in the news almost every day. For the political fatigue people, anti-Trump is the vote.
     
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  7. Gatorhead

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    G8tr, wrong person to ask because I know as much about "The Law" as I do Uganda's enviromental tax code policies.
    I can guess though: NO it will not disqualify him. The Supreme Court will protect his right to run (IMO) irregardless of
    charges or crime committed.

    If fostering a "coup" attempt and denying election results won't get one in trouble, what will?
     
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  8. mikemcd810

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    A good explanation from Jack Smith on how the Trump documents case is different from Biden and any other President.

     
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  9. ajoseph

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    If one just takes the time, and interest, to read the actual indictment, this is all crystal clear. It was not the original taking that caused the prosecution — and it is noteworthy that he was not charged a single count related to his return of the wrongfully taken documents — it was the unconscionably illegal conduct AFTER he was caught with the documents.
     
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  10. GatorJMDZ

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    There is another topic that will definitely drive voter turnout, abortion initiatives. I was a bit surprised by the number of states likely to have abortion initiatives on their 2024 ballots. Those people will not be voting MAGA. Some of these states could actually flip, some will be enough in play that the RNC will be spending money and resources in places that they've historically taken for granted.

    Please take a minute to go through these lists.
    Which states could have abortion on the ballot in 2024?
     
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  11. GatorJMDZ

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    No, he just couldn't vote for himself in Florida.
     
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  12. chemgator

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    Only the republicans were voting. I agree, it does mean that Haley has no chance against Trump, unless he becomes physically disabled or gets sent to prison before November. But if that many republican voters reject Trump, it also means he has little chance against Biden.
     
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  13. citygator

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    What a weekend.

     
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    This sort of information…… along with the recent Fani Willis revelations…… begs the question, what sort of ethics do these liberal big-city prosecutors practice?

    Also, if I remember correctly, James once ran for NY governor. I wouldn’t be at all surprised that her desire to be governor is a catalyst for her aggressive prosecution of the Trump organization.


     
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  16. mikemcd810

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    I don't think it's right for people working in government to be staying in 5 star hotels and taking private jets, but there are disclosure requirements and she disclosed that information. I'm not sure this is exactly a smoking gun given that some people do donate to candidates of their same party all around the country.

    It could be something, but I'm not sure it's necessarily out of the ordinary without looking at other politicians as well or unless one of the donors said they never made those donations (as was the case with George Santos).

    Maybe someone will end up getting their pound of flesh from James but this isn't going to reverse the judgement against Trump.
     
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  17. Tjgators

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    First, the judgement is one of the most outrageous judgements in my lifetime. No way it holds up. Yes, the luxury stays and plays are just an ugly look. It's the ghost donors that are going to bring her down. They are made up without that person's knowledge.
     
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    There's no credible evidence in the Willis investigation for the judge to rule on. Therefore, it's going to come down to whatever standards he wants to enforce.
     
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  19. ajoseph

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    She is going after every avenue of fraud. Trump just has the biggest name. And yes, fraud-busting is a proven track to higher office in NY.
     
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  20. GatorJMDZ

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    I find it beyond amusing that Trump supporters have the gall to raise these issues. Just for grins, boys, run the totals the Secret Service was charged at Mar-a-Lago, money that went directly into Trump coffers.
     
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