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Well, Van Jones finally said out load what we all knew

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by gaterzfan, Feb 24, 2024.

  1. gaterzfan

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    With all due respect, you failed to respond to my question. Is Jones wrong in his statement?

    I get that you would like the local news, especially the FTU, but do you honestly believe that is Van Jones was referring to local rag coverage of local crime? Or was he referring to the failure of the major legacy media not adequately covering the "epidemic" of murders in black communities resulting from "black-on-black" crime? Instead, the media is seemingly focused on the disappearance of young white women and alleged hate crimes against non-heterosexual and/or gender non-conforming people.
     
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    You keep parroting the phrase “legacy media”, which I assume is a term a lot of YouTube talking heads and podcast hosts like to use pretending they are the “new media”.

    Yet, you seem inconsistent in who you are labeling as legacy media. The oldest and most traditional form of journalism is the “local rag”. They are the journalists on the ground covering local stories. That *is* the legacy media and that is also the most likely coverage of local crimes. It’s a shame what has happened to newspapers in terms of circulation/resources.

    Since your focus is apparently not on local news and instead on national 24 hrs forms of news NOT covering those stories sufficient to your liking, you seem to primarily think of cable news as legacy media. But the concept of cable news has only existed a few decades? The other obvious flaw in your logic is that cable news often only picks up stories after they go viral on Twitter or other social media. That’s how it works now. So if they are “ignoring” black on black crimes, would it be fair to say social media sites and other so called “new media” are probably also ignoring them? It doesn’t seem like you’ve actually thought any of this through, but are instead parroting things you happened to agree with. Want a cracker?
     
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  3. gaterzfan

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    Your argument is with Van Jones. It's his assertion with which you disagree. Is he wrong? Do you understand the issue better than he?

    Don't need a "cracker" ... I am one and a descendant of Florida Pioneers.

     
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    Yet, Van Jones I’m pretty sure will go on air and talk about those racial injustice shootings himself ad nauseam. Where is he bringing attention to individual shooting victim stories? I already stated earlier in this thread I don’t think he’s wrong per se and I don’t think his intentions are bad. But he’s probably being a bit hypocritical and has some blinders on about his own on air content.

    I don’t even think there’s anything nefarious. Saw a story the other day about how many stray bullets were killing children. But in terms of inner city gang shootings, it’s hard for any one individual story to move the needle at a national level. We see the same phenomenon with mass shootings. It used to be a thing that shocked the senses. Now it seems the national media moves on in a day and the next one happens barely a week later. Do you blame the media that mass shootings don’t get wall to wall coverage for a week anymore? Or is it a sickness that society had become accustomed to, and media coverage is merely a reflection of that? I think it’s pretty obviously the latter, but if you want to blame cable news for (reasons?) you do you.
     
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  5. vegasfox

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    Cops slacked off after the death of George Floyd. Democrats abused them. BLM happened. Law enforcement decreased.. Fewer black drivers were pulled over. Black homicides since 2020 are 20,000 over what would have happened if George Floyd hadn't:t had a bad day. Floyd effects caused an extra 10,000 raffic fatalities .
    This iswhat conservatives say. I haven't looked at the numbers.
     
  6. gaterzfan

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    Well, statistically speaking, some 29 African-Americans were murdered last evening but on CNN's front page there is a story about the murders of Laken Riley and Audrii Cunningham .... neither of whom is a minority.

     
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  7. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Play libbie games…win libbie prizes.
    Yah, libbie news wins again.
     
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  8. rivergator

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    Ah, I saw multiple references to local news already on the thread and that's what I was referring to. Yes, local news (newspaper and TV) usually cover local events like a candlelight vigil for a slain teen. National news rarely does unless there is some other major controversy involved.
     
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  9. rivergator

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    I don't think Laken's murder is on the CNN front page at the moment. At least I didn't see it, there's a ton of stories there. It is, however, the lead story on Fox.
     
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    Do people really pay attention to local news any more? I know I don’t. Legacy media is usually used to refer the big network national news outlets. CNN, NBC FOX etc.. not your local news outlet.
     
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  11. FutureGatorMom

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    So what are "pubs" doing about it?
     
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    I watch local Bay News 9 every day. Then ABC World News Tonight with David M.

    I refuse to watch tabloid news like CNN, FOX, MSNBC, NEWSMAX, etc. Their damn opinions don’t matter to me or my wife. They all have an obvious agenda.
     
  13. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Pubs acknowledge the truth about it instead of dividing people by making up racist hate shit.
     
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    So nothing. Thanks for confirming.
     
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  15. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Glad that makes you feel better.
    Pretty shallow though.
     
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  16. rivergator

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    Depends on whether you want to know what's going on in your town and area. National news doesn't provide that. The trouble in Jacksonville and most towns is that the local newspaper is a sad shell of what it was.
    I still look at its website every day. I usually don't watch local tv news but I'll glance websites to see if there's something I want to know.
    I look at the NYT and WashPost websites every day. Get the Sunday NYT delivered.
     
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    Of course I pay attention to local news. That's the only way I'd know that the firm that Desantis' team hired to fly migrants after giving him $100,000 in donations is in court for their fraud schemes.
     
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    lolz
     
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  19. FutureGatorMom

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    Oy. Van is absolutely correct. The media likes reporting on salacious news to get more market share. The truth is that there is a huge problem with black on black crime and it isn't easily fixed by just reporting on it. It is so bad that it would take up more of the news hour, so they just drop it. It's more news if an innocent woman jogging is attacked and killed, then another drive by shooting.

    I'm no expert, but the way I see it is the issue in the black neighborhoods goes to the fact that they are at a disadvantage because of past discrimination where few black families have been able, either by way of their own outlook or by external forces, to experience generational wealth. By trying to achieve that way of life by other means, most illegal, the children have taken the only way they know, and that is gangs. It's not an easy fix and no party has really tried to tackle it. Republicans don't want to spend the money, and dems can't get out of their own way to figure out how to do it where it is appealing to both sides.

    I don't know that it is like the border issue where they just want to keep it as a campaign issue, because we don't make it an issue at all.

    Bring on the gif.
     
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  20. Orange_and_Bluke

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    I thought the same.
    Lol
     
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