Fani Willis misconduct hearing

So what if he quoted a specific number?

That only indicates that he genuinely believed that at least that quantity of outstanding votes in his favor weren’t counted.

Trying to ensure every legal vote is counted is not a conspiracy to overthrow an election no matter how much Democrats want it to be.

And it’s not enough to establish that the election was rightfully decided. You have to enter Trump’s mind and determine if HE believed the election was rightfully decided and take that in context with his statements to the SOS, then prove that he was essentially trying to intentionally defraud the election by asking the SOS to conjure votes out of thin air beyond a reasonable doubt. I doubt Willis was ever going to do that.

Now, maybe she can get a Fulton County jury who hates Trump, or a jury fearful of the backlash in the absence of a conviction, or some reason for a conviction apart from a genuine finding of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

I was just making the general point that Biden wasn't in office and so nothing his campaign was purportedly requesting or doing behind the scenes carried the force of law with it. I don't even know when the Biden team would have gotten access to the information if they ever did while Trump was in office. On the other hand, Trump's team apparently had access to the information since it came from Giuliani.

As to your point about the dossier, I thought McCain gave the dossier to the FBI? Maybe Hillary did as well? I know Trump denounced McCain for it, but Trump says all sorts of things. I'm still not sure what exactly was on the laptop or how it implicated Joe Biden. I know I've seen MTG talking about nude pics of Hunter once in awhile.

Trump: McCain handed over dossier ‘for very evil purposes’

 

Yeah, to be fair, I don’t see how the Hunter Biden laptop story traces back to evidence of corruption on the part of Biden himself, only the FBI.

I’m not currently aware of any means Biden could’ve pressured the FBI to act at the time they tried suppressing the story.

 

felonious possessions of scif documents including nuclear capabilities and military attack options and refusing to return them is pretty damming evidence of a very serious crime. do you disagree?

 

We know these aren't good faith arguments, but it's worth noting that Hillary did not go public with the contents of the dossier to score points in the election, but Trump and team did with the Hunter laptop story.

 

If that's his defense then he's in trouble. Nobody is going to buy that. Why on earth would Trump be in possession of more information about the election results than the Georgia Secretary of State? How does asking find the exact amount of votes he needs translate to "trying to ensure every legal vote is counted?"

Every legal vote was counted, and counted again. He lost, he knew it, and he tried to pressure government officials to change the outcome. Unfortunately for him, belief isn't an ironclad defense. He can try it, but when jurors are presented with information that Trump was provided with substantial evidence that he lost, it's not going to end well for him.

 

With respect to the Steele Dossier, the Clinton Campaign was responsible for funding the private investigation via Fusion GPS.

Im not sure if a direct communication was ever directly exchanged between Team Clinton and the FBI, but Hillary Clinton was Obama’s Secretary of State, Team Clinton hired a private firm to investigate Trump. That firm used Christopher Steele. Christopher Steele released a report loaded with unsupported information which Obama’s FBI relied upon and was the initial launching pad for an endless cycle of investigations into Donald Trump.

 

He’s not in possession of more information, he’s just delusional and genuinely believed there was no way he lost.

Prove that he believed he lost.

 

Im sorry, but you are unbelievably naive if you believe this.

Why do you think the Clinton Campaign had Trump investigated? You think they were just doing their civic duty?

 

The Georgia Secretary of State, who is responsible for running and certifying the election, telling him that he lost. Losing all of his lawsuits. Numerous advisors and attorneys telling that he lost.

Just because he chose to ignore all of that doesn't absolve him of having committed a crime.

 

hmmmm, are you misinformed or intentionally omitting the fact that the research was originally funded by a conservative website?

The Trump Dossier: What We Know and Who Paid for It - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

During the Republican primaries, a research firm called Fusion GPS was hired by The Washington Free Beacon, a conservative website, to unearth potentially damaging information about Mr. Trump. The Free Beacon — which was funded by a major donor supporting Mr. Trump’s rival for the party’s nomination, Senator Marco Rubio of Florida — told Fusion GPS to stop doing research on Mr. Trump in May 2016, as Mr. Trump was clinching the Republican nomination.

After Mr. Trump secured the nomination, Fusion GPS was hired on behalf of Mrs. Clinton’s campaign and the D.N.C. by their law firm, Perkins Coie, to compile research about Mr. Trump, his businesses and associates — including possible connections with Russia. It was at that point that Fusion GPS hired Mr. Steele, who has deep sourcing in Russia, to gather information.

 

Clearly they were doing it for opposition research, but did they make it public? No. Despite it being salacious, they still didn't make it public.

 

so he is delusional and that should not disqualify him from being POTUS?

 

I missed the “nuclear capabilities” and “military attack options” part of the statute.

It looks to me like you’re working your way backwards taking Trump’s actions and drawing a distinction between them and his predecessors outside of the Espionage Act.

If that’s how you’re creating a standard, you’re doing it wrong.

The statute is the standard. Biden, Pence, Hillary, Bill, and Trump violated it.

Only Trump was indicted.

 

Why do you think they were conducting opposition research? Curiosity? Just to sit on it?

Sure, the Clinton campaign had everything to gain by leaking it, and even more to gain by leaking it anonymously or via proxy, but who could’ve been responsible for it? It’s a mystery wrapped in an enigma.

All you need to do to reach my conclusion is follow the money and incentives. To reach yours, you have to assume honest motives from the Clinton Campaign and that they conducted an expensive investigation into Trump for mere personal knowledge.

 

Not when his opponent is senile, more damaging to the country, and far worse on policy.

It merely proves Trump is far from ideal, but the standard for being “qualified” for President is an incredibly low bar.

 

trump has promised retribution if re-elected and 715’s position seems to be no political candidate or office holder can be held accountable. Not sure I would care to live in such a place.

 

Then you haven’t been reading closely. My criteria is simple:

1) Serious crime
2) Overwhelming evidence of committing that crime
3) Extraordinarily high likelihood of conviction based on facts rather than prejudices.

 

I honestly don't even know what your conclusion is. You throw so much shit against the wall it's hard to keep track. We went from discussing how Fani Willis affair is unfair to defendants to talking about the Hunter Biden laptop and Steele Dossier.

 

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