Solar and battery storage make up 81% of new power capacity this year

Then why the opposition to renewable energy? I can’t think of a rational reason for it.

 

Your comment was a blanket statement. I just disagree from my personal experience.

I’m not a fan of “forever” subsidies that prop up business. And it’s for all business. I thinks that’s one objection some pubs have. There are proposals like banning gas burning equipment like lawn mowers. I’m a conservative and have battery powered lawn equipment. I go out of my way to drive my 4 cylinder SUV that gets damn good mileage to cut down on emissions. I won’t buy an EV because we keep our vehicles for years, 2 vehicles for 14 each, in the past. I live in a 55 and over mostly conservative subdivision and many have solar panels and drive EVs. Now I’ll give you pubs are more resistant to moving towards renewables except I think it’s more procedural than just against. I also find pubs more approving of nuclear.

 

lol at the bacon.

 

and you’ve become expect at straw man arguments

 

You’re right I’m not railing at spending govt. funds on healthcare issues.

I’m against subsidies for businesses like sugar farmers, etc. if you look back you’ll see I said “permanent” subsidies. Get it started, what ever it is then let the market decide its future.

Re gas ranges and lawn mowers. I only have a gas range. What do you suggest I replace it with? Electric?

 

I tend to not think that the Chinese will be able to permanently lock out other competitors, especially as the technology continues to improve and mining expands. Not a whole lot of protectable, sustainable competitive advantage. If they want to be dumb and undercut everybody in a market like that, thank them and take your cheap products. I suspect that the panel market will become highly commoditized at some point in the not too distant future.

 

1. Solar and wind are as cheap or sometimes even cheaper than fossil fuels right now, even without subsidies

2. Fossil fuels have been subsidized for a half century when considering all of the military commitments and expenditures to keep the oil flowing. Plus it is subsidized indirectly through increased health care costs via pollution.

3. There is a long history of subsidizing key technologies and items of national importance. The free market doesn’t always work if other world players around the world don’t play by the same rules.

You can be for renewables and against outright bans of gas powered equipment. I don’t support bans.

 

First paragraph yes.

Second,,,, How will you cook your food without a gas or electric range?

I’ll hang up and listen as this is going to be interesting.

Add on. My wife and I have a Brevelle oven we mostly use that plugs into a standard outlet. Also there are conduction hot plates that also plug into standard outlets. How will these be prevented?

 

I have no problem with solar but not sure where the best place for the panels is. I know they are coming up with new ideas all the time. They do take up a lot of land though. Wind I think has a ways to go. I would not want a wind turbine next to my house. I do like my gas lawn mower and stove. When the cost come down a little more and I need a new zero turn I might go with the battery powered. I already use battery power for weed eater and saw.

 

Onshore wind is cheaper without storage and only slightly more expensive, on average, than solar. Both are competitive on price with the cheapest form of fossil fuels and cheaper than most fossil fuel plants, even with storage at this point.

 

The challenge is that a large portion of the onshore wind isn't where the demand is. the feds could/should use the interstate corridors to bury DC lines to help transmit the power from the wind corridors to the demand centers

 

Curious what’s the max wind offshore wind turbines can withstand?
Seems like a cat 3-4 might make a giant mess of a wind farm.

 

When you say solar and wind are as cheap as FFs that including the expensive storage systems required? Is that based on a commercial solar farm.
What I’ve seen for the homeowner the cost for 100% isn’t any where near cheap enough without the tax credits.

 

Utility scale solar with storage is now equivalent in price to the cheapest version of FF. Cheaper than all other types of FFs.

 

Not doubting but got a link.
It certainly isn’t that cheap for homeowner to replace, I just ran a calculation and for my use I would need 90 panels at a cost of 100k without battery back up.

 

I already posted the link.

2023 Levelized Cost Of Energy+

The PDF is in that link.

 

you are confusing utility solar and home solar panels.