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Schadenfreude: Trump's appeal to the worst of human nature

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by cocodrilo, Feb 15, 2024.

  1. cocodrilo

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    I certainly hate Trump, and Ahab's hate is not a good comparison. Ahab with his hatred for the fictional whale doesn't have a leg to stand on compared to my hatred for Trump.

    As for Trump’s supporters, I’ll borrow an old bromide from Christianity. I hate the sin, not the sinners.
     
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  2. lacuna

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    La mort c' est la vie


    Ahab's hatred and pursuit of the whale was destructively obsessive. Coco joked about Ahab's scrimshawed leg but it was a totem of death attached to him, a signal of the obsession taking him and the crew of the Pequod, save a single soul, to their doom. Coco freely admits hatred of Trump, and there are legitimate reasons to hate what Trump has done and continues to do, but it's a fiction, an ignorant and gratuitous attempt to project that sort of destructive hatred as you have, onto his supporters.

    A man or a woman cannot know of the love or the hatred experienced in the heart of another. They can only know and project what they themselves carry or experience in their own hearts.

    Presently the decks of the doomed Pequod have life boats aplenty for those wishing to escape the ill fated ship of state. But captains, carriers, and those lashed to gunnels of hate will sink themselves and those caught in their wake.

    I confess your confession of hatred for Trump with its pertinent contrast gave me a giggle.

    Always an effective guideline for successful navigation. Thanks.
     
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  3. chemgator

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    So much wrong about your post.

    First of all, I am not a scientist. I am an engineer (a chemical engineer, not a chemist).

    Democrats do have a reputation (since Carter certainly) of being unwilling to go to war, or unwilling to support major military action. (I'm also not a democrat, so I have no problem saying these things.) Republicans have a reputation (through Bush, Sr. and Bush, Jr.) of being willing (or more than willing) to commit the U.S. military to winning a major conflict. Both of the Bushes served in the U.S. military. Trump spent most of his life as a democrat and a businessman, and had no military experience (he was a bit of a draft dodger, in fact). Trump believes he can solve all problems through negotiation and money (hence, his foolish attempt to buy Greenland). Trump is on record as saying that he is against going to war in general terms for American interests. He has little or no respect for the military and those who served in it (hence, his foolish insults of John McCain for McCain's military service). America would have to be attacked before Trump would consider war, and the attack would have to be greater than a few attacks on U.S. troops in bases in Iraq, as he demonstrated.

    The main thing to understand about Trump and wars is that Trump has no use for allies, and that makes him very dangerous. It makes any conflict much more difficult if you have no allies. Trump's diplomatic skills are extremely poor, and he has no respect for other countries (hence, his "sh!thole" commentary about several other countries). Without allies, you cannot successfully implement economic sanctions on another country. You don't get donated weapons for the locals to fight with. You don't get flyover rights for your aircraft. You don't get the intelligence that other countries are getting. You don't get repair facilities near the battlefield for equipment. Biden has been a far better president when it comes to securing commitments from European countries to support sanctions, donate weapons and ammo, restrict and limit Russia's access to military technology, and maximize pressure on Russia's economy. Those are the things that will help Ukraine win this war. (Putin, with no military experience, severely underestimated the impact of proxy warfare on his war effort.)

    I will agree that it is possible for a leader of another country to decide to invade based on which U.S. president is in office. It is only a major consideration if the leader thinks that a U.S. military response will result from the invasion. Putin had to know that an economic response was likely regardless of who was in office (and he prepared for that). But without the threat of a direct U.S. military response, which was unlikely in the case of Ukraine, it becomes a minor consideration.

    Now that it is an election year, Trump is trying to win the White House at all costs. He has ordered his weak-minded, cowardly supporters in Congress to withhold aid to Ukraine, even though doing so is borderline treason and insanity. Trump is perfectly willing to let Ukraine die a lonely death at the hands of the Russians so he can return to the Top Dog position that he so desperately wants. He is willing to sacrifice world peace, freedom, and human life for the satisfaction of his selfish ego and vanity. I can't think of any other president in history that would consider doing such a thing. It's un-American, not to mention inhuman. Being President is not a responsibility to Trump; it's an award. It boggles the mind how anyone could vote for such a horrible and unqualified person.
     
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  4. altalias

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    No one will criticize your writing. That is certain.
     
  5. altalias

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    Love it
     
  6. gatorpa

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    Lots of guessing man.
     
  7. chemgator

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    Of course. Who can say for certain what people's motivations are for doing things? Even if they tell you direct from their mouth why they did something, there is a good chance they are lying (they are politicians, plus many times the truth is not flattering). All you can do is make a logical argument one way or the other.

    Man.
     
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  8. gatorchamps960608

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    Yes, he wants to be president again for his ego but his primary motivation this time is to stay out of jail.