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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by Gatoragman, Feb 5, 2024.

  1. AzCatFan

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    The last POTUS that waited for Congress to act, but when Congress balked used an XO to change things was Obama. He created DACA, which has been in the courts ever since!

    Biden can try XO, but anything he does is subject to legal challenge. Congressional laws have much less wiggle room for legal challenges. Not to mention, Biden is working with $20 billion less than he would be working with had Congress passed the bill. Money talks.
     
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  2. gator95

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    Wonder why migrants aren't trying to cross in Texas as much now? What happened recently that would cause that?

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    Migrant crossings fall sharply along Texas border, shifting to Arizona and California

    Overall illegal crossings along the U.S.-Mexico border have dropped sharply since soaring to a record high in December. In January, Border Patrol recorded 125,000 migrant apprehensions in between ports of entry along the southern border, compared to nearly 250,000 in December, preliminary federal data show. But the geographic trends of those migration flows have also changed dramatically.

    Over the past weeks, the Tucson sector in Arizona and the San Diego sector in California have been the busiest Border Patrol regions for migrant crossings. In both sectors, more than 1,000 migrants have been entering the U.S. illegally each day in remote desert areas like Lukeville, Arizona, and Jacumba Hot Springs, California, in recent weeks, taking advantage of gaps in the border wall or holes cut by smugglers.

    Meanwhile, along the 1,254-mile Texas border, the largest of any state neighboring Mexico, crossings by migrants have plunged. The drop has been especially pronounced in the Del Rio sector, which was the second-busiest Border Patrol region in December.

    Border Patrol averaged 1,816 daily migrant apprehensions in the Tucson sector and 1,213 in the San Diego sector during the week ending on Feb. 4, the internal government data show. Collectively, the two sectors accounted for 59% of the 5,128 daily apprehension average that week. Arizona and California each have one additional Border Patrol sector, but migrant arrivals in those areas are much lower.
     
  3. AzCatFan

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    Plugging a hole in a dam with hundreds of holes isn't effective. And militarizing the border should not be an option. All Abbot is doing is plugging a single hole, so the pressure is being released elsewhere. Plug those holes too, and the pressure will just build and spill over.
     
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  4. gator95

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    Some people won't ever quit their beliefs. It's like the mask nut jobs thinking they still work LOL. I mean the article above from that far right wing outfit CBS says migrants are "taking advantage of gaps in the border wall" LOL. Don't worry, we will have the Maskers(Sorry, I mean the never Wallers) trying to explain away the fact that migrants will try to find the easiest way to cross and wouldn't you know that walls are a deterrent. Like I've said, can't fix stupid.
     
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  5. AzCatFan

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    Shifts in migrant entry areas is as old as immigrants coming here. In the 1970s, there were no walls, and only about 2000 BP agents. The 1980s brought us drugs coming in large quantities, so they put in walls and checkpoints in official crossing areas. The belief was the immigrants wouldn't risk crossing the open desert which is very harsh and dangerous. Boy, was the belief wrong.

    So the wall starts getting extended, and they keep on coming. Plug one hole, and another one pops up. Try and plug all the holes and really think we can stop the pressure? Considering this problem hasn't been solved for generations, you have to be stupid to believe it something we've tried before will actually work this time. It's the definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
     
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  6. AzCatFan

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    Found this image of 95 thinking plugging holes will actually accomplish something!

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  7. Gatoragman

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    It appears Texas has found a solution that has dramatically lower the number of crossings. Did it stop them all, well no, but it dramatictally reduced them. Now if the other border states would follow their lead, Biden might be able to not have the disaster at the border as such an issue in November!
     
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    While these undocumented immigrants were actually apprehended by CBP near San Diego the wall didn't stop them raising the question how many using similar means were actually able to enter the country?
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    ‘Cash in Envelopes’: How the US and UN Are Funding the Border Crisis | The Epoch Times

    The Biden administration gave the UN migration agency nearly $1.3 billion in 2023, which it uses to help migrants on their journey to enter the US illegally.
    The United States is bankrolling its own “invasion” by funding the United Nations and its partners, which, in turn, give hundreds of millions of dollars in cash and aid to migrants who eventually cross the U.S. southern border illegally.

    The plan allocated $372 million in “cash and vouchers” and “multipurpose cash assistance” during 2024 for 624,300 migrants—the population of Detroit—in Central and South America who are headed for the U.S. border.

    People who might not have taken the risk to travel to the U.S. border because they were worried about food or safety now have help, he said.

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    Workers at an IOM migrant camp in Reynosa, Mexico, in 2021 told him that families of four were receiving about $800 per month on a debit card. His viral post on X, formerly known as Twitter, noted long lines of migrants waiting to receive the cards.
     
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    A description of the source says it all.
    The Epoch Times is a far-right[1] international multi-language newspaper and media company affiliated with the Falun Gong new religious movement.[29] The newspaper, based in New York City, is part of the Epoch Media Group, which also operates New Tang Dynasty (NTD) Television.[30] The Epoch Times has websites in 35 countries but is blocked in mainland China.[31]

    The Epoch Times opposes the Chinese Communist Party,[32][33][22] platforms far-right politicians in Europe,[8][10][22] and has supported former President Donald Trump in the U.S.;[34][35] a 2019 report by NBC News showed it to be the second-largest funder of pro-Trump Facebook advertising after the Trump campaign itself.[30][36][22] The Epoch Media Group's news sites and YouTube channels have promoted conspiracy theories such as QAnon, anti-vaccine misinformation[41] and false claims of fraud in the 2020 United States presidential election.[44]
     
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  11. WarDamnGator

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    These UN debit cards were also available during ... wait for it ... the Trump admin ...
     
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  12. flgator2

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    For once you're correct, it did say it all
     
  13. gatorpa

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    So because Mexico can’t or doesn’t want to handle them the US gets to.

    Funny now you just say you need asylum and you’re in.

    Do other industrialized countries handle their immigration this way?
     
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  14. AzCatFan

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    Mexico took in 250,000 asylum seekers last year. They are spread all over the country, like they are here in the US. Mexican border cities simply do not have the infrastructure to handle tens of thousands of people waiting. Neither do most US border cities for that matter.

    I've stated before, we should model an immigrant guest worker program after Canada. If Canadian companies can prove they can't fill labor needs with citizens, they can pay to transport immigrants at the border, who pay for a guest visa. Would eliminate many asylum claims that are likely to ultimately be denied if the immigrants had a different, legal avenue to stay.
     
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  15. gatorpa

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    I can get on board with something like Canada does…
     
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    and after a week or two how many vanish into thin air never to be heard from again?
     
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  17. gator95

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    I don't understand. Someone help me out here. Why don't the Palestinians just go to Egypt? It's almost like the wall is stopping them...

    The brilliant posters who say walls don't work must be upset LOL.

     
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    I imagine that wall is heavily manned; it's only about 7 miles.
     
  19. AzCatFan

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    The Egypt/Gaza wall is about 8.5 miles. A full wall between the US and Mexico would only be about 235X longer! There is also a 2 mile long buffer zone, and Egypt is now stepping up patrol along the entire length of the border. This kind of buffer zone would be impossible along our border, as there are many towns that butt up right against the border that would require imminent domain to tear down. And much of the border is in areas where two miles on the US side is either sandy desert or mountains, and it's difficult to carve out two miles on our side.

    A 8.5 mile wall is not a bad defensible position, if patrolled 24/7. And station troops every 1/4 mile and that's a total of only 34 patrol areas. Do that on the US/Mexico border, and that number balloons to 8,000! You could probably patrol the Egypt/Gaza border with 100 men at a time, 3 shifts, for a total of 300 and it would be effective. 300 men across the US/Mexico border would only get 1 person, every 6.67 miles at one time.

    But other than that, absolutely no difference between our border with Mexico and Egypt's border!
     
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  20. gator95

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    Around 8.5 miles. Also shows walls work. We've been told countless times in this thread that walls don't work. So as you can see walls do work.
     
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