I can understand that female officer's actions. You have to trust your partner and she had no way of knowing that her partner got scared of a freakin acorn. I've seen a video of a woman in the back of a cop car getting a hold of the officer's patrol rifle (somehow). I can cut slack for some "heat of the moment" incidents. If she truly believed something was afoot, providing suppressive fire until her parter could reach cover doesn't seem that bad.
Huge difference between bad people being cops and making the leap that cop training teaches them to be that way. Failed interactions for me do not include bad cops /dirty cops. They include morons. Idiots. Like these two in this thread. A handful compared to the millions of interactions a year .. minute. As for the dirty cops.. they too are in the minority.. vast minority. Doesn’t make it right. Doesn’t mean we should over look it. But it does mean we shouldn’t paint all cops/ or cop training with a broad brush based on the bad apples.
Ahh yes. Insults and put downs. Well done. When you finish feeling better about yourself please show where anyone on this thread defended shitty add incompetent police. And when you fail.. which you will.. maybe try to be humble enough to admit you were wrong. We know you won’t. You will just insult, demean, move the goal posts. But no worries We are used to it.
That makes sense. Now I'm curious about training. I've seen comparisons in how many hours an officer is required to train vs a cosmetologist. I don't know much about training aside from a few clips showing recruits getting training akin to military boot camp with DI's yelling in their faces, but I'm not sure that's a good indicator at all. Fact check: Cosmetology vs. police training comparison lacks context “Police training in Wisconsin is 21 weeks,” the post said. “A cosmetology license takes 40 weeks.” According to the state Department of Safety and Professional Services, applicants for a cosmetology license must complete at least 1,550 hours — or about 39 weeks if you assume 40 hours per week — of training at a licensed cosmetology school. The program must last a minimum of 10 months. Alternatively, aspiring cosmetologists can take two to four years to complete at least 4,000 hours of practical training and theoretical instruction through an apprenticeship. They must also have a high school diploma or the equivalent of one. As of 2016, anyone who applies to be a law enforcement officer or tribal law enforcement officer in Wisconsin must undergo 720 hours, or 18 weeks, of training — even less than what the Facebook post claimed. The training curriculum for jail and juvenile detention officers is 160 hours. The post also doesn’t acknowledge the 24 hours of annual training officers must undergo to remain in law enforcement. Cosmetologists, by contrast, are no longer required to participate in continuing education and must read a digest of rule changes that occurred during the biennium when they renew their license. According to the article, Wisconsin offoicers must have a associate degree or higher. I looked at the Okaloosa Sheriff's requirements and they only list high school/GED as a minimum. From what I can tell, Florida requires 22 weeks, plus 40 hours of continuing training g or education every 4 years.
The first officer in particular has no place on a force. I haven’t seen anyone anywhere defend him. But to Ridge’s point, the same people here who call out conservatives for taking a single trans athlete or one reading a book to kids and extrapolating it to a national crisis seem more than happy to do the exact same thing with police encounters. And every time I point out the actual data on police involved shootings the conversation moves away to more general or different complaints.
Interesting point. This actually caused me to think my first objection is that cops make many many more bad choices that don’t result in the death of someone. Cops just lie to and bully people and instead of policing themselves cops cover it up.
Lol… in the video, he thinks he was hit by a shot and is crawling around on the ground and saying he thinks a bullet hit his vest… his partner is yelling “officer down” on the radio… unreal…
That gets to the other point I was making though, we start talking about cover ups and other things when we can’t prove the base hypothesis empirically. And to be clear, they very well might, I don’t know. But at some point, hypotheses have to be proven true, or disregarded. If it’s so obvious, it should be relatively easily provable. Especially with body cameras in many places now. You can’t simply put a gun in someone's hand or beat them into a confession. And if you think purely in terms of numbers and odds, let’s say that an idiot like this is caught on YouTube once a day. If there are 100 million police interactions in a year, that still only roughly 1 in 300k interactions that go this way. In reality there is maybe one a month that goes viral like this, which means one in 8 million or so. Lightning is a bigger threat. Fire this guy, but keep the numbers and what they mean in perspective. I’ve said it before, I would encourage everyone who believes the larger narrative about cops to watch a few episodes of on patrol live. Yes cops are going to behave in front of a national tv audience. And yes a department is going to show their good eggs and not bad ones, but you quickly understand what they deal with day to day and why they make some of the decisions they make.
Not sure what the "op" reference is here, but I started this thread and I did not mention anything about training. In fact, I mentioned having 3rd party mental health professionals more readily evaluating patrol officers, and especially in today's environment. That is the opposite of discussing their "training" but rather the mental stability of those brought into the police department and those who actively continue to serve. I was very intent on calling out the qualification or state of mind of the individual, and not the group nor group training. I am related to 3 current/former NY and NJ police officers, so I do not make blanket statements often or lightly concerning police. However, given the stress that many officers feel like that they are constantly under (real or imagined) and the need to "relax" hiring standards in some places these days, increased psych evals is not an unrealistic suggestion.
That’s a very long post that could have been avoided by a little closer reading. I was responding to a particular poster and I even said YOUR op as in the OP of the person I quoted and was responding to. I didn’t have any intent on referring to you or your post. That is why I intentionally typed “your op”.
