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Biden willfully kept classified docs but won’t be charged

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by oragator1, Feb 8, 2024.

  1. G8tas

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    Right wingers say that Biden isn't running things anyway. So what's the big deal?
     
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  3. thomadm

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    You can't be president if you can't obtain a security clearance. So technically, yes you can be on a ballot, but that doesn't mean you can become president.
     
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  4. oragator1

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    The word willfully is a direct quote.

    “President Joe Biden “willfully retained and disclosed classified materials after his vice presidency,” Department of Justice special counsel said in a report released Thursday.”

    https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/08/bid...rt-issued-by-special-counsel-robert-hur-.html
     
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  5. 92gator

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    Not a damn thing CCH.

    It's perfectly normal for a person to be deemed incompetent to stand trial, while still being competent to occupy the highest office in the land, often referred to as "the leader of the free world."

    No sir, you ain't missed nuttn..

    Lol!
     
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  6. channingcrowderhungry

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    I made this argument when I said Hillary shouldn't have security clearance when she was running. But come to find out my understanding was wrong. The president isn't "given" security clearance, they ARE the security clearance. They don't need to pass a security clearance to become president. It is basically the opposite.
     
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  7. channingcrowderhungry

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    Thats not what it said, but you do you.
     
  8. l_boy

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    The difference is that the special prosecutor basically said, yeah, he is probably guilty, but he is so old and feeble his attorney will argue he is old and feeble and can’t remember anything, and a jury would feel sorry for him.
     
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  9. gator_lawyer

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    Feel free to open up the report and search the direct quote. It says EXACTLY what I said it does. The media, per usual, is untrustworthy. This is the full quote: "Our investigation uncovered evidence that President Biden willfully retained and disclosed classified materials after his vice presidency when he was a private citizen."

    Yet again, uncovering EVIDENCE of something does not mean somebody is guilty of something. There was evidence that the Duke lacrosse team raped that woman. Yet, when people dug into ALL of the evidence, they figured out that they were not guilty.
     
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  11. BLING

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    The President defacto has the highest security clearance.

    I remember the same argument with the Clinton scenario. I said at the time it would never lead to criminal charges, but hypothetically if that stuff came out in the moment (rather than years later) it could lead to loss of security clearance, but it would be moot if she won the election as that would in essence grant her top clearance via the office of the Presidency.

    Could say the same for Trump in 2016 (and even more ridiculous now), think that guy would have passed a security clearance background check by conventional means? Not a chance in hell.
     
  12. gatorchamps960608

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    This all stems from Biden saying he couldn't recall things.

    When you get any Trump on the stand, they can't recall their home addresses or shoe sizes. It's no proof of senility.
     
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  13. WarDamnGator

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    Who's going to stop the elected president in November from becoming president?
     
  14. VAg8r1

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    You're referring to the one with the orange complexion who confused Nikki Haley and Nancy Pelosi?
     
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  15. channingcrowderhungry

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    I think it laid out two different things you're getting convulted, based on what I've read. There wasn't evidence to convict him AND even if they did convict him a jury would see him as a sympathetic old man. I don't think those two things are presdiented as overlapping.
     
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  16. channingcrowderhungry

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    And that being said. If this is damaging enough to get Biden not to run, even better. Give me someone else, I'm with you.
     
  17. fubar1

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    Actually less about culpability with the documents than it is he can’t remember much of anything from the last 15 years, and is blaming a geopolitical event for not being able to walk and chew gum like we all expect from mentally competent President.

    Trump’s 2024 prospects just took a giant step forward.
     
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  18. VAg8r1

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    I've been deposed and unless I was absolutely certain my response to several questions was "I do not recall" and I was 30 at the time. I also recall that when Trump, his progeny and his associates were deposed in several different cases they indicated that they could not recall.
    Trump Can't Remember 'World's Greatest Memory' Boast
    ‘I Do Not Remember’: Trump Gave a Familiar Reply to the Special Counsel’s Queries (Published 2019)
    The Trump Boys Can’t Recall a Thing
    "I don't recall": Allen Weisselberg, ex-Trump Org CFO, draws a blank on dozens of questions in New York fraud trial
    Ivanka Trump testimony: Why 'I don't recall' is a common legal strategy
     
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  19. gatorchamps960608

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    As soon as someone explains what a "supply change(sic)" is.
     
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  20. VAg8r1

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    You're not referring to the search of Mar-a-Lago pursuant to a valid search warrant signed by a federal judge? By the way the warrant would not have been necessary if Trump voluntarily invited the FBI to search his premises as Biden and Pence both did.
     
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