This so fits this Forum LOL

Another disingenuous post by you. That is not even close to the question asked in the poll. Have you no shame? That’s a rhetorical question because we all know the answer.

 

Only IF... you believe the MSM which I do not, but our trajectory is not as clear as I'm used to seeing. Having said that by January of 2025 (or sooner) I might have a different perspective of where we are and where we're heading.

 

It's the best country if you want to be great (powerful, wealthy, prestigious, well-respected career professional, etc.) and it's probably more free with respect to speech and beliefs than anywhere else in the world.

It's not the best country if you just want to kick back, coast, and work as little as possible while living as comfortably as possible... but it's still pretty damned high on that list as well.

 

Where does it say that 36% of Ds don't think the US is among the greatest countries?

 

I wish my last name was actually Rade!

 

Exactly. Wives.

 

The end of a global pandemic, a ridiculously tight labor market, and the lack of immigration during COVID.

 

I believe America is a great but flawed country which strives to adhere to its stated ideals and to become a more perfect union. Over time and as a whole, I think we've gotten closer to those goals.

According to the below poll, Republicans are far more likely than Americans at large to believe that God (obviously, more specifically - the Christian God) blessed America with a special status and unique role in human history. Personally, assuming there is a god, I have no reason to believe it has afforded exclusive grace or status to particular groups, regions, or political entities which aren't available to others. I think the religious aspect is often overlooked when people discuss/debate the concept of American "exceptionalism."

As a bit of an aside, it's notable to me that Obama referenced MLK's statement about the moral arc being long but bending toward justice. He acknowledged our progress and proclaimed that his story wouldn't have been possible anywhere else. Similar to Reagan, there is little doubt in my mind that Obama's overall optimism about America is a big reason why he was and remains popular. Yet because Obama pointed out our flaws and failure to live up to our own ideals, he is characterized as an outsider who hates America and everything it stands for.

In contrast, Trump (as well as many on the right) condemns numerous aspects about America, claims it's not great anymore, declares that it's generally corrupt, full of carnage, etc. Somehow Trump can say very negative things about America, and Republicans consider him to be one of the most patriotic Americans to ever live. How does that work? Is it because they view Trump (whose family were relatively recent immigrants) as a "real" American? Because they view him as a "real" Christian? Is it because Trump makes demonstrative overtures such as humping the American flag for the cameras?

Competing Visions of America: An Evolving Identity or a Culture Under Attack? Findings from the 2021 American Values Survey | PRRI

Republicans (68%) are twice as likely as Democrats (33%) to agree that God has granted America a special role in human history. Independents (40%) are slightly less likely to think this way than all Americans are. Notably, belief in this statement has dropped across all partisan groups since 2013, including 25 percentage points among Democrats (from 58% to 33%), 23 percentage points among independents (from 63% to 40%), and nine percentage points among Republicans (from 77% to 68%).

 

Maga should realize - there are many many US citizens who bust their butt and smart but still struggle. Not everyone was born into a privileged life. This maga disdain for the poor & struggling helps keep us from being the best. There are other people out there.
(And no testimonials needed of walking uphill to school both ways)

 

And yet you are unable to understand it. Saying there are other countries that are better than the US does not mean one thinks 'the US is not a great country at all'.

 

Speculation on my part, but I think the divide here is in values:

Republicans typically value
Greatness (Military and Economic Strength) > Comfort (Qualify of Life measured in Units of Benefit per Units of Labor)

Democrats value:
Comfort > Greatness

 

1. That's not what the poll says
2. You know that's not what it says because you can read
3. You furthermore know that it's ridiculous to claim outright that the U.S. is bar none the most star-spangled awesome place to live in the whole galaxy, because even you qualified one of your posts with the statement the U.S. "is one of the best."

Those are the 3 reasons that make it easy to conclude you're trolling, so I won't bother responding to you anymore on this topic, and will instead discuss silly jazz musician names, which is a much more worthwhile conversation than this nonsense poll.

 

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I'm curious - which other countries make your list of best places in the world to live? And is that a different analysis than the greatness of those countries?