Migrants Credit Cards

How friggin ridiculous.

 

Maybe they will maybe they won’t. Biden has said he will shut down the border if it passes.

It really seems like many on the right are doing their level best to actually stall progress and instead would rather make excuses and complain. If we are hitting over 10,000 a day, is 5000 a day not better?

Not only does it have a limit it puts other mechanisms in place that will reduce asylum seekers who are given catch and release at non approved entry points.

The same republicans who insisted that border security be tied to Ukraine and Israel aid were ones that drafted this bill and support it. So I’d recommend supporting it and see what happens or just be honest and admit you prefer open borders that allows you to demagogue and worship Orange man.

 

Let us know when you are done blaming all this on the Right lol. This is hilarious. The right is stonewalling for sure(they want this to be an election issue), but Biden doesn't need them to help fix the immigration issues. Both sides as usual are full of crap. Some on here are falling for it on both sides.

 

It doesnt say that. Go to my link then go to page 212. It grants the Secretary broad powers automatically if a single day gets 8,500 people or if a single week averages 5,000 per day. It doesnt grant anything to immigrants under that amount who will be handled by the normal operations that are funded and resourced. It simply lays out when does an operation shift from normal operations to emergency operations. That's it. A single day or a single week - and it doesnt let people in if less than that, just what type of operating rules are in place to handle based on the load. The operations are supposed to handle encounters but if normal operations cant handle them they go into emergency. You are being lied to. Starts bottom of Page 212.

https://www.appropriations.senate.g..._national_security_supplemental_bill_text.pdf

 

Biden is asking for $20 billion in the bill for immigration purposes. Can he really do everything he wants with a wave of his hand without any of the funding?

 

ha. I agree with city. I couldn’t give 2 shitz what cities do with their money. Only rub is money is fungible so I’m sure this will be tapped from leftover covid funds somehow rather than those funds coming back to citizens.

and please. It’s allllllways about the children. . That’s right up with there with any opposing opinion is racist. Yawn

 

Politics have dwindled this place down into two groups according to the lovely and ultra inclusive libs around here. You are either lock n step with them, or you are a deranged Trump supporter. Regardless of education level, some here are too stuck on the two party system that they are simply incapable of believing that there are people out there who don't want to hand out a bunch of free stuff and don't want open borders who also don't support Trump. It breaks their little brains. They don't know what to do so unless you agree with them 100%, be prepared to be laballed a Trump supporter or are part of the Republican party in some way which makes you subhuman in their eyes.

Oh and before I hear any BS from the Lib brigade about my stance on this and before you go with the only play you have in your playbook (labeling someone), you may want to check out my response on the original thread first.

Migrants Given $5,000 Gift Cards After Crossing Border: Arizona Sheriff

 

You're so enlightened. Everyone loves you. You matter. Your opinions are amazing. Especially the clear, unnuanced "hand out a bunch of free stuff and open borders". That shows how wonderfully informed you are. Thank you for this post. I am awakened.

 

Biden doesn't need Congress for the money. Noted far "righty" Bill Maher agrees with me. How about we stop playing sides and admit both sides don't want this fixed.


Bill Maher slams Biden, GOPers 'acting' in border crisis battle: They should get 'an award' this awards season

"But make no mistake about it, Joe Biden has a lot of power to change a lot of policy and affect the immigration issue," Sununu added.

"That's true," Maher agreed. "I was gonna say part two of the acting is Joe Biden saying ‘You know what? If you just give me a new law.’ A new law?! The president can fix this and he already has an existing law. This is all so silly! ‘I need a piece of paper from Congress to deal with the border.’ No you already have that."

 

OP starts a "you were wrong, I was right!" thread. Immediately faceplants when the article doesn't actually support him being right. That gets pointed out and your takeaway is that libbies are mean?

 

Really think Biden has the power to fix the backlog of asylum requests without money to pay for new judges? Because that's where a significant chunk of the $20 billion will go to.

And I seem to remember a former POTUS using XO to try and "fix" immigration issues, and the Rs claimed Obama was ruling by fiat when they refused to send Obama any sort of immigration bill, and as a result, Obama created the DACA program. Which made its way through the courts.

The reality is, the Rs don't want any fixes on the border. They only want something they can point to as a crisis so they can blame the Ds.

 

If you are suggesting drafting an executive order, it is possible this could be done. There is the practical issue of funding brought up already, but I’d also add a philosophical objection. Republicans complained that Obama was abusing his power with so many EOs, and I think they had a point. All presidents now seem to pass legislation from their own desks, and this is not the purpose for which that desk was intended. I’m not necessarily suggesting that Biden is admirably taking the high road here, but I would him trying to tackle this single-handedly as a marked step back from the current situation.

 

Mean? Nah, that gives libbies too much credit. I'd start with condescending.

 

Biden could simply reverse many of the policies he got rid of right away when he took office like halting construction of the border wall, ending Trump's travel ban and reaffirming protections for DACA recipients. Also could reverse the termination of emergency with respect to the Southern Border. I'm sorry but the "people don't want the President abusing EO's" is a bit weak in this comparison. This is a national emergency and he has the power to fix it but doesn't want to. No one seems to want to...

 

I would say that this dichotomous perspective is not limited to the liberals on here.

However, I do think you raise an important point, if brusquely, regarding inferring motivations from perspectives. It is the case that an anti-abortion stance is assumed to be motivated by a desire to control women, even though a desire to protect fetuses would equally explain it. However, it’s certainly the case that this runs in both directions. A liberal desire to financially support poor families is often decried as an attempt to keep those people dependent on government, even though a desire to reduce the suffering of children would equally explain it.

I’m personally not a fan of either type of demonization. You are right that too often we rely on stereotypes to infer a great deal about each other’s views based on very little real data, which inhibits us from actually seeing each other. I am sure we’ve been labelled in just the same way you are describing.

 

IMHO......the political optics of this is not good, regardless of any details you want to point out.......

 

If we're not going to secure our border and if we are actually handing out free gift cards to migrants who illegally cross our border, then don't ask for my help when the war starts.

 

If he wants to use an EO to cancel a prior EO, then sure I guess we should think this appropriate. As for the second part, who gets to decide what is a national emergency? If it’s the same person that drafts the executive order, then I would say that my argument is hardly weak. Many would say that our level of inequality is a national emergency. Climate change the same. COVID certainly counted as well. I would guess that you don’t agree on all of these issues, so this leaves us with a challenge regarding demarcating a line for acceptable use of unilateral action.

My personal preference is try to limit the concentration of power. I would say that the current border situation is one that is right addressed by our legislative body and them seeming not to want to do address it is not a valid reason to bring this to the executive. Otherwise, it opens up many more arenas for unilateral action.

 

Biden knows the wall is a boondoggle. Costs billions, accomplishes nothing. Besides, where would funding for more wall come from? Biden did build a small portion of wall, because Congress already funded it, and it was either build it, or lose the funds. Biden couldn't build more wall without (wait for it), Congressional funding!

Title 42 and Remain in Mexico were both COVID policies. To re-enact them would require another pandemic. Thankfully, that isn't happening, and unlikely to happen again, hopefully in our lifetimes. Not sure what other type of emergency the POTUS could declare on the border without a pandemic. The new bill would answer this with specific daily and weekly immigrant numbers. But again, this has to be passed by Congress first.

As for DACA, it's been in the courts since Obama declared it. The program itself has been declared Unconstitutional in the latest ruling I believe (please correct me if I'm wrong), but the Judge said it would be cruel to deport any DACA recipient after years of being here legally under the XO. Biden doing something like this now would likely be much quickly ruled Unconstitutional.

The Rs certainly don't want to fix the border. If Trump had received a bill like the one Biden is asking for, he'd sign it the moment it hit his desk. But Trump doesn't want a fix; he wants the crisis so he can campaign on it. D's should want this bill either because it's too draconian, and doesn't solve any of our immigrant labor issues. Without addressing the labor needs, anything we do on the border is doomed to fail. The 2007 and 2013 Gang of 8 were right in making the expanded guest worker program the key to beginning to fix our immigration issues. Everything and anything else just won't help enough, if at all.