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Disney Sues Desantis

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by slayerxing, Apr 26, 2023.

  1. VAg8r1

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  2. tilly

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    You are ignoring the civil right being protected. But those rights are generally one sided for some.
     
  3. gator_lawyer

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    Go on.
     
  4. tampagtr

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    The right to hate and oppress
     
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  5. tilly

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    "Hate" is the bully word the left uses to squash any disagreement.

    It isn't hate to freely chose not to use my artform to promote something I disagree with. That is not equal to hate and to suggest so is just an empty position of someone with no other bullets in the chamber. Hate would be refusing any service at all. But it isn't hate to limit the content I allow in my artwork.

    My guess is the same baker would limit content to straight people as well for certain things. As a graphic designer, I know I have many limits for everyone.
     
  6. tilly

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    Not sure this meme hits like you think, but it is a funny one nonetheless.:D
     
  7. VAg8r1

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    Not exactly right on point but both the meme and the DeSantis proclamation of victory over Disney illustrate that absurdity of claiming victory before the game is over. The difference is that in the case of the NFC Championship game the game did in fact end with the Lions losing. At least for now Meatball Ron and his supporters in the right-wing media can still gloat over a victory since the 11th Circuit of Appeals hasn't spoken and Disney has yet to file what is its virtually certain appeal.
     
  8. ajoseph

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    I am convinced that the Right, with Trump as its leader, truly has no understanding or appreciation of what the word, “bully,” actually means.
     
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  9. tampagtr

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    As predicted

     
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    Let's be clear, 303 Creative is a different case because it actually dealt with speech and creative expression. Masterpiece Cakeshop would have had a strong argument if the gay couple demanded the baker put some message on the cake endorsing gay marriage. But it never got to that point.

    The baker refused to serve them not on the basis of the cake design they wanted but instead because they were a gay couple who were marrying. He never asked what design they wanted. He made it clear from the start that he would not bake a wedding cake for a gay couple.

    That's a classic refusal to serve. Providing a free speech or religious exemption to support a refusal to serve would gut all the major anti-discrimination laws that deal with public accommodations, including the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
     
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  11. tilly

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    Meh. Still a good meme though. :)
     
  12. tilly

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    No. Many of us do. He is the epitome.
    Nonetheless, calling everything one disagrees with "hate" is a bully move to shut up opposition.
     
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  13. tilly

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    This is nonsense and you know it. The documented facts of the case tell us that the couple told him they wanted a cake for a gay marriage and when he said he did not do those, but could give them other services, they refused to discuss further and left BEFORE giving details.

    The cake clearly would have had some hint of the reason on it, otherwise they would have accepted his offer for a plain cake.

    He offered them other options. That is noted in the case. They refused.
     
  14. gator_lawyer

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    It was a straight up refusal to serve. He didn't offer them other options that they wanted. Do you think it's legal or acceptable for a restaurant to tell a Black couple that they won't allow them to eat inside because of their race but will offer them the "other service" of picking up their food at the backdoor? How about a hotel telling an interracial couple that they can't rent a room there but they can offer the "other service" of sleeping in a tent out back?

    I'll quote directly from the opinion:
    Phillips met Charlie Craig and Dave Mullins when they entered his shop in the summer of 2012. Craig and Mullins were planning to marry. At that time, Colorado did not recognize same-sex marriages, so the couple planned to wed legally in Massachusetts and afterwards to host a reception for their family and friends in Denver. To prepare for their celebration, Craig and Mullins visited the shop and told Phillips that they were interested in ordering a cake for “our wedding.” Id., at 152 (emphasis deleted). They did not mention the design of the cake they envisioned.

    Phillips informed the couple that he does not “create” wedding cakes for same-sex weddings. Ibid. He explained, “I’ll make your birthday cakes, shower cakes, sell you cookies and brownies, I just don’t make cakes for same sex weddings.” Ibid. The couple left the shop without further discussion.
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    The content of the cake was irrelevant to him. He refused to bake any wedding cake for a gay couple. They could have asked him for the exact same wedding cake he was baking a straight couple, and he would have refused. They could have sent a straight couple in, had them ordered a run-of-the-mill wedding cake on their behalf, and he would have baked it. He straight up refused to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple regardless of the design, message, content, etc.

    That's not denying service based on content or message. That's a refusal to serve.
     
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    This baker’s horse has to be long dead by now. Somebody needs to get some new material
     
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    But oh how he suffered for the period of time he was compelled to even contemplate baking such a cake! Almost too horrible to consider
     
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    I would like to applaud Governor DeSantis for having the courage to fight Disney. Never in all my schooling years and throughout college did I ever meet one single person who thought they may be a different gender. Never even heard of it. There were the sicko transvestites who were typically older men on a lot of coke.

    Nowadays? The main characters in Disney movies are non-binary, transgender. So again, thank you Governor DeSantis for standing up for what’s right and not cowering in fear. Vice President DeSantis has a nice ring to it.
     
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    That would not be Constitutional as both are from FL.
     
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    Yeah, they would figure it out. Dick Cheney says hello.
     
  20. VAg8r1

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    Speaking of Dick Cheney and his residence when he ran for the vice presidency.
    A few months before the election Cheney put his home in Dallas up for sale and changed his drivers' license and voter registration back to Wyoming. This change was necessary to allow Texas' presidential electors to vote for both Bush and Cheney without contravening the Twelfth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which forbids electors from voting for "an inhabitant of the same state with themselves"[82] for both president and vice president.
    Maybe Trump will change his residence back to New York or DeSantis will resign from the governorship and change his residency to Iowa since he spent more time in that state over the past year than in Florida.
     
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