If the case, then it’s equally fair to say that the Democrats are bent on seeing Ukraine thoroughly destroyed.
Oh, I think he’ll keep us out of at least one war. If Trump becomes president, it’ll give Putin a green light to invade a NATO country of two. (One or two of the weakest ones. Isn’t that what bullies do?) Would Trump honor our alliance to fight for NATO? Sure, he’s going to fight his buddy Vlad. Trump would repeat his argument that the NATO countries haven’t paid their fair share of alliance expenses, and he’ll say to hell with them.
That's ridiculous. Most of them have previously voted for billions in aid to Ukraine. They just don't want an open-ended credit line to the U.S. to fund a war they are not having much success in.
You're misreading the situation. You do realize it was Trump who initiated the lethal aid to Ukraine? Trump could have stopped it, but he didn't. Obama refused to arm Ukraine. And it was Trump who shut down the Nordstream-2 pipeline. But I think it matters not. Even if Trump were to withhold American forces in the event of a Russian attack on a NATO country, Russia would still be outmatched as the other NATO countries collectively have much more military might than Russia can muster. Putin knows this and isn't a fool. Look how quickly he retreated in the north of Ukraine with a little resistance. Frankly, I wouldn't be upset if it was left to Europe, but you realize we have thousands of troops already in Europe and Trump is not going to jeopardize their security by letting Putin run wild. There are so many factual and logistical truths that you'd have to ignore to envision a scenario as you mentioned actually play out in real life.
I don't want war with Iran, but at the same time, I don't think a war with Iran would stop us from effectively defending Taiwan. Iran is another Iraq. You can effectively bring them to their knees within weeks. The key is to not attempt to occupy Iran afterwards. But I don't think we're at that point yet. The gripe about striking the proxies instead of Iran themselves is that it has zero net effect on Iran. They will continue these attacks and feign ignorance through their proxies. It's a pussy's policy. We could hit Iran proper and there wouldn't be a war. Trump took out their #2 and all they did was fire a few rockets at our base in Iraq. Iran is easily the world's #1 paper tiger. I'm not sure why everybody is so scared of them. They aren't valuable enough for Russia or China to stick their necks out for.
Tsch. You think Trump cares about "factual and logistical truths"? Since when? He cares about nothing in this world but himself. And that's what Putin has on him, whatever it is more specifically. As for American troops in Europe, Trump would simply order them out. Just like Biden ordered them out with a deadline in Afghanistan. Pretty messy, wasn't it? Deja vu!
So you think Trump is going to order American troops, who have been in Europe for 80 years, to come home? And no, it's not "just like Afghanistan." We invaded Afghanistan and attempted to squat on their land for 20 years. Totally different set of circumstances. And Trump wasn't wrong to ask certain NATO countries to pay their fair share per the agreements they signed with the U.S. previously. I know this is a shocking concept, but by holding them more accountable to the agreements they made, it actually made NATO stronger. Even leaders of the nWo like Jamie Dimon are saying Trump was right about NATO.
The irony to all this is all of Putin's moves west have occurred during Obama and Biden presidencies. Yes, Trump is so unconcerned about Europe. From 2018: BOOSTING DEFENSE AND SECURITY COOPERATION: President Donald J. Trump supports strengthening efforts to enhance the defense and security of our Baltic NATO Allies. The United States plans to provide nearly $100 million for procurement of large-caliber ammunition and over $70 million in training and equipping programs to the Baltics to build the capacity of the national military or national-level security forces of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. The United States continues to improve defense and security infrastructure in the Baltic region, strengthen Baltic national resilience efforts, and build defense capacity through security assistance programs such as Foreign Military Financing (FMF) and International Military Education and Training (IMET). The Baltic States have together traditionally received about $3.5 million annually in IMET assistance to allow 150 students to attend formal training at military academies in the United States. U.S. forces cooperate with Baltic troops in a range of advanced multinational training events, including the U.S.-led SABER STRIKE and BALTOPS exercises. More than 5,000 U.S. troops will join multinational forces in this year’s SABER STRIKE exercise, the largest event of its kind to take place in the Baltic region. President Donald J. Trump’s Support for Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania – The White House
You signing up to go over there? Even weak countries kill their opponents and inflict casualties. I've seen it too many times. A lot of young people 18, 19, 20 years old who haven't even lived life yet. I wouldn't casually throw us into conflicts.
We couldn't win a war against the Taliban, a bunch of goat herders and poppy farmers. We've taken L's to countries weaker than Iran militarily. What is even the objective? For you to feel big and bad?
As a serviceman what do you think we should do? I think if we whack some of the proxies that is a good thing, but I don't believe Iran really gives a crap about any of them. If we do something inside Iran, I believe that would take congressional approval and really be an act of war, then here we go again!! Will sanctions accomplish much? I would say most all agree we need Iran to stop but what is the most efficient way to do it without starting WW3?
That White House document is dated April 3, 2018. Three months later Trump met with Putin at Helsinki, with Trump using specially designed Putin-dispensed knee pads. I'm sure that Trump would go to war to defend those Baltic states against an invasion by what is apparently his Russian master.
Ironic that we are planning a potential attack either in or around Iran and Trump publicly shared our classified war plans for attacking Iran. Not only does the US have to respond to Iran, but we need to calculate how much intelligence Trump released to Iran. Who is the Iran *****?
I honestly don't know the best course of action. I actually should apologize to @okeechobee. It's not really fair to question a civilian's motives by challenging them on deploying to a combat zone. It's what I signed up for voluntarily, and nobody is obligated, nor should be made to feel any less for not doing so. My sincere apologies to him, and I'll try not to slip up in the same way. I think perhaps, I've seen too much loss of young people and it clouds my judgement.
LOL! Let's not fight Iran--WHO HAS ACTUALLY ATTACKED AND KILLED US SOLDIERS AND BASES ALMOST 200X UNDER BIDEN--but garsh, it's critically important that we defend Urkaine, who's NOT even a member of NATO, because of....NATO. How's about we rock the ever loving shit out of Iran, beginning with its nuclear labs, and send their sorry asses back to the stone ages--with just our jet fighters and bombers--no boots on the ground.... let them eat shit. ...and let's see what happens with this WW III. I'm quite certain that once Iran gets blowed the hell, they're be other countries tripping over themselves to get a taste of our toys. As for Ukraine? Still a big ol'...meh. Russia isn't scary; they're scared shitless of NATO, bc of us. Why the hell do we pretend to fear them??? Broker a deal ASAP--for Ukraine's benefit mostly--let them into NATO--bam. World peace restored. Alas, we have a bubmlin bought and paid for buffoon in office, too stupid to know shit from shinola, drooling on his bib, who's chamberlaining the world right into WW III. ...and y'all want do double down on dumbass....
Nah. We just don't find a military that can't get past half the width of Florida in 2 years in Ukraine, very scary--and Ukriane doesn't launder pub money the way it does Crat money. So nah, not very compelling. C'est la vie.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati.../donald-trump-audio-recording-iran-documents/ You can listen to his own words
Gee, you make it sound so simple. I remember reading the assessment years ago, and it would be true now more than ever, that the only way to destroy Iran's underground nuclear facilities, and be sure they're destroyed, is to go in on the ground and find them. Just like those tunnels in Gaza. The Israelis can bomb till every man, woman, and child in Gaza is dead, or to use your phrase "let them eat shit," but the Israelis still have to find those tunnels. The same with Iran. So as I believe another poster here has already been asked, are you going to sign up to go over there?
