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Should The Gators Over-pay for Players?

Discussion in 'RayGator's Swamp Gas' started by doctorg8r, Jan 21, 2024.

  1. Wanne15

    Wanne15 GC Hall of Fame

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    Well. I don’t like the NFL or watch it, it’s a much better system than what we have.
     
  2. Wanne15

    Wanne15 GC Hall of Fame

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    I see your point there but three decades is enough to establish a new trend and what happened in the 50s 60s and 70s is ancient history that’s kind of irrelevant at this point.
     
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  3. Wanne15

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    we certainly are not in the good old boy club. Premier football program yes, blueblood no
     
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  4. Wanne15

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    NIL and the stadium is being 100% paid for by fans through one stream or another.
     
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  5. doctorg8r

    doctorg8r GC Hall of Fame

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    You forgot Pitt! Look it up, Pitt is considered a blue blood-- and FSU. I agree with your definition, but Michigan and Ohio State are no better than Florida or Florida State in the last 30 years!
     
  6. 62gator

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    The chances of one of those programs having 3 consecutive losing seasons and on the cusp of a potentially 4th now is virtually nil.
     
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  7. MarineG8R

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    Again blue blood implies a long history of sustained success. Ohio State and Michigan have that over UF regardless of the last 30 years.

    https://mikefarrellsports.com/featured/college-football-blue-blood-status-check

    Outside of SS and UM (two hall of fame coaches) UF hasn't got much.
     
  8. MarineG8R

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    I know, that's kinda the point of a blue blood IMO. Sustained success. Yeah their might be some down years or gaps between titles, but some of those schools have titles from almost every decade/generation. But even without titles they have won a lot of games.
     
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  9. doctorg8r

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    Another question, is nil and the transfer portal going to force schools to privatize their athletic department?
     
  10. MarineG8R

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    Premier? Maybe. I've always felt UF was an oddball in the SEC
     
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  11. eightiesgator

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    Depends on how far back we go. We counted Florida as the premier program in the nation from 1990-2001, a 12-year period. If we were to go back to 2010, among P5 programs, a 14-year period, our record is just outside the top 25. Look at the top four surrounding Florida:

    Texas A&M (.638)
    Stanford (.634)
    Kansas State (.626)
    Auburn (.608)
    Florida (.599)
    Baylor (.596)
    Virginia Tech (.591)
    NC State (.590)
    Mizzou (.588)

    We can't use the "but look at our strength of schedule" excuse. Our schedule was also among the toughest during the SOS and Meyer eras, when we were in the top five most years. But anyway, in the SEC:

    Alabama (.892)
    Georgia (.789)
    LSU (.740)
    Texas A&M (.638)
    Auburn (.608)
    Florida (.599)
    Mizzou (.588)
    Miss State (.581)
    South Carolina (.565)
    Ole Miss (.543)
    Tennessee (.534)
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    Vandy (.238)

    We're a slightly better than average program among P5 teams, and exactly in the Middle of the SEC. The fact that we refuse to acknowledge this is why Florida had five head coaches in 14 years. This is not to say we should ACCEPT being a middle of the pack program, but as parcells says, "YOu are what your record SAYS you are..."
     
  12. eightiesgator

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    This, and Nebraska is in real danger of losing their Blueblood status with seven straight losing seasons. Pitt, Minnesota, Illinois and others say hello...
     
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  13. Crusher

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    Who says that, other than dopey Nole fans?
     
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  14. Crusher

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    How bout the 60 before that?
     
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  15. WESGATORS

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    These Johnny-come-latelys always try to smite the earlier success stories. Frankly, I like to start with the first 60 years:

    #1 Yale
    #2 Princeton
    #3 Notre Dame
    #4 Harvard
    #5 Michigan
    #6 Texas
    #7 Washington & Jefferson
    #8 Vanderbilt

    All teams that won 75% of their games with at least 300 games played. The top 2 teams have combined for 55 national championships. As a comparison, Alabama, Michigan, Notre Dame, and USC (the next 4) have only combined for 52.

    Go GATORS!
    ,WESGATORS
     
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  16. Right. How many fans on this forum are buying $10k or more of municipal bonds for the stadium upgrades? When an average fan “pays for the stadium” those are minuscule costs built into the cost of the ticket and that money pays for regular bills. The $400M stadium upgrades are probably going to be a mix of municipal bonds and outright donations. You are right, the stadium is paid for by fans, but no construction is moving forward on this stadium upgrade until UF secures a portion of the $400M required for the contractor to start the project.
     
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  17. Wanne15

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    What do we ge, 60 million a year from TV. 10 million a game in tickets. Guys donating and 10 and $20 million are also fans. Where do you think this money comes from people that hate the Florida football team?
     
  18. I am talking about the stadium. I break down the numbers throughout this thread if you want to tack on NIL and endowments. You have to watch the terminology. The average fan is not paying for the $400M stadium upgrade. The average fan does pay the recurring bills for the stadium, which is not $400M.

    Yes, Gary Condron is a fan, but the $22.5M donated to UF over the past few years and Hugh Hathcock's $12.6M donation are not going to NIL or stadium upgrades. The cost for keeping the lights on at the stadium comes from people like Gary Condron and Hugh Hathcock paying $10k for a Skybox suite and poor people paying $150 for typical tickets--that is not for the $400M stadium upgrades.
     
  19. archigator_96

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    True if UF was even ALLOWED to pay players, they aren't at this time. But, NIL on the other hand can go to any athlete the collective wants and for any amount of money without Title 9 kicking in.
     
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  20. archigator_96

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    Correct, there is a formula for requiring ADA upgrades. Take the value of the project, subtract out the value of things that are purely maintenance like HVAC and chiller upgrades, plumbing, roofing, electrical / switchgear improvements etc. and whatever is left you take 20% of it and spend it on ADA upgrades in a particular order starting with accessible entrances, then access, then toilets, drinking fountains and on down the line to accessible pay telephones (that one is in the code).