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Polls: Trump Lead Over Biden Widens

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by okeechobee, Jan 23, 2024.

  1. okeechobee

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    Interesting. I thought it was Biden who undid all of the immigration orders Trump had issued during his term. The GOP House did that without the Senate or POTUS consent?
     
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  2. slayerxing

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    weird question, America first. But that requires supporting Ukraine. I know you don’t see it that way and that’s ok. But seriously, The US can support Ukraine AND pass immigration reform simultaneously but apparently republicans in congress can’t chew gum and govern at the same time so… shrug.
     
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    how are tariffs on China America first?
     
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  4. AzCatFan

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    The only thing Biden changed at the border was ending Title 42. Which was a pandemic only order. It had to end.

    Trump did jack slowing down undocumented immigration. He talked a good racist game, and spent billions on a boondoggle wall that slowed nobody down. But he accomplished nothing.

    What will change? Actually, nothing, and come Spring, if unemployment is still low, stocks are still breaking records, and inflation still under control, voters won't want to risk change. And if interest rates start coming down again, Biden should have a very good incumbent bump.

    Then there's the courtrooms. Trump gets convicted, he's done. Even an appearance where Trump testifies can hurt him.

    Last, there could be down ballot initiatives that drive out voters. Arizona is very close to having an abortion initiative on the Nov ballot. That happens, it will be difficult for Trump to win.
     
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  5. slayerxing

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    Sorry, is this a monarchy? Does congress not get to design and vote on laws that govern this stuff? They don’t like the decisions Biden has made? Hr2 is coming through senate now - but god forbid it passes as is lol. Then democrats can bludgeon republicans over the head with it, when it, like everything else, doesn’t work. Honestly I’m not sure why democrats are dragging their feet. Just sign the stupid thing and move on. Yeah it’ll have devastating impacts on important industries but at least they can blame republicans for it… right? Am I going this right?
     
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  6. okeechobee

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    Help me understand how this falls on the GOP Congress. I don't think they had anything to do with the 180 on Trump era immigration orders. I recall Biden reversing Trump era immigration policy when he first came into office. Keeping in mind the GOP didn't become a majority in the House until January 2023, long after it was painfully obvious there was a crisis at the border.
     
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  7. okeechobee

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    Nice try, but as per the usual, you're lying:

    Less than two weeks after he took office and halted border wall construction, announced a deportation pause and suspended a rule requiring migrants to await their court dates in Mexico, President Biden issued an executive order signaling a dramatic shift in U.S. immigration policy.

    His administration, Mr. Biden promised in that February 2021 order, would "restore and strengthen" the U.S. asylum system and reject the Trump administration's border policies that "contravened our values and caused needless human suffering."

    Nearly three years into his tenure, Mr. Biden now finds himself entertaining drastic and permanent restrictions on asylum — including an extraordinary authority first invoked by former President Donald Trump to summarily expel migrants during spikes in illegal crossings.

    Drastic border restrictions considered by Biden and the Senate reflect seismic political shift on immigration

    I'm counting 4 things Biden changed in the first 3 paragraphs alone and the entire article is about how Biden is trying to be more like Trump.
     
  8. okeechobee

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    "Seismic political shift on immigration" aka MAGA. lolzzzzzz
     
  9. okeechobee

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    I'll take Poorly Timed and Executed Subject Changers for $100, Alex.
     
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    I'll take things NOTradamus said for $800.
     
  11. okeechobee

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    I'll take Biden is MAGA for $1,000, Alex.

    Daily double!!

    "Joe Biden embraced this Trump era policy in early 2024, after it became abundantly clear he was going to lose the WH if he did not."
     
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    And for his racist rhetoric, the Libertarian CATO Institute said Trump accomplished zip when it came to illegal immigration. The wall was and is a boondoggle, and has accomplished nothing beneficial, unless you think more hurt immigrants that we need to pay for their care is a good thing.

    I disagree with Biden's willing to negotiate on changing asylum laws. But Biden is compromising. Something Trump refused to do when it came to the border. Funny. Didn't you claim Trump was willing to work with Ds? Didn't happen. But when Biden is willing to compromise, you criticize him?

    Still, it's the economy that usually decides elections with incumbents. And six months before election day is the general marker. If come Spring, markets are still up, unemployment still down, and inflation under control, Biden will be tough to beat. And near impossible if one of Trump's cases reaches court before October.
     
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    Just republicans?
    So one side says, no deal unless we get Ukraine money.
    The other side says no deal unless we secure the border.
    Both sides don’t budge but you only blame the republicans. This is why we are broken. Too many people only want to see problems on the side they don’t agree with.
     
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    Well there's a third option which means you reform immigration but that was shot down by the House leader
     
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    That’s going to stop over 2 million a year trying to cross illegally? Secure the border and work on immigration reform at the same time.
     
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    First, if it’s important to be able to say Biden’s policies in the border have not worked. Period. Reform is needed. And he made a mistake asking for Ukraine aid and putting in a request for more border funding as a “sweetener” because he then gave republicans ammunition to tie those things together. Which they have. And it’s something they’ve pushed in the media, this idea that we shouldn’t be spending money outside the us until we get our house in order. It’s ridiculous but it’s a key political win for them because they get to complain about Ukraine losing AND bludgeon Biden about the border.

    so yeah, it’s their own narrative. And this idea that they’re willing to compromise is dumb. They already had a bill hr2 that was sent from congress to the senate and now they are suggesting hr2 doesn’t even go far enough which is bonkers. Honestly the senate should just pass it and Biden should sign it. Then when the border still is broken he can blame republicans instead and he can then get his Ukraine aid. I think democrats have totally misplayed this, but just to reiterate it’s the republicans that have created this narrative that they can somehow only do one thing at a time.
     
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    It was a part of the immigration reform but the House later shot it down
     
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