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Trump blames Haley for Jan. 6

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by cocodrilo, Jan 20, 2024.

  1. Gator715

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    Did I say that I would never vote for him again? I questioned it, but not sure if I ever said that. With respect to the Republican Primary, I preferred both Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis greatly over Trump.

    It's a binary choice, I would certainly vote for him if he's better than the alternative. And he is much better than the alternative.

    We know who he is on policy, we had 4 years of him as President. That's just not his primary pitch because his gameplan is rallying his base, and perhaps highlighting that Joe Biden is everything Trump's critics say Trump is; not winning people over on policy. Almost everyone has their mind made up on that front.

    If you're an undecided voter, what's probably going to move the needle for you is the weight you give January 6th and the weight you give Joe Biden's record as President, including how his administration has treated Trump personally.

    I care a whole lot more about what Trump does than what he says. And I care a whole lot more about what Joe Biden (or his Administration) does than what he(it) says. And often-times, he sucks on both fronts.
     
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  2. ajoseph

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    I am not going to read through 4 years of your posts, but I recall being surprised when you were adamantly anti-Trump (given your staunch conservative proclivities ).
     
  3. gaterzfan

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    I dunno .... do their other comments, discussions indicate they suffer from TDS? It's not a comment about DT, it's the obsession with DT. You should check out what Jamie Dimon said about the left's Trump and MAGA obsession. Many believe this obsession/denigration by the left only helps Trump. Who wants to help Trump ..... or Biden for that matter?

     
  4. Gator715

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    Yeah, the major things that got me to question my support for him are the elector scheme with Mike Pence and the sexual assault/battery lawsuit in New York.

    Both still tarnish my opinion of him, but I've given them less weight over time. A preponderance of the evidence finding in a hostile New York court doesn't necessarily mean he did it.

    And the elector scheme, while really bad, was:
    1) Unsuccessful
    2) Even if successful would almost certainly have been overturned in court (as it should)
    3) Cannot be applied again because Trump is termed out
    4) A failed attempt scares me less than Biden's Administration pulling out all of the stops to have his chief political rival thrown in jail. And the mere attempt to drown Trump in indictments and paperwork is a form of election rigging.
    5) When push came to shove, all of the people who mattered stood up to Trump. Biden's Administration's excesses are both celebrated by his peers and mimicked by Soros-funded DAs looking to get famous.
     
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    He's also running on the absurd but obviously effective narrative that the establishment is going after him as a way to go after his supporters and that he is being metaphorically crucified on their behalf. The reality is that he couldn't care less about them and that they're merely means to end.
     
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  6. Gator715

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    Two things are true at once:
    1) Trump doesn't care about anybody but himself, and maybe his kids.
    2) Trump is standing between the establishment media and the left, and people who embrace tradition, American Exceptionalism, peace through strength, and reject wokescold identity politics. That's the primary reason he's a target. With Trump as President, those same people are harder to control because they get a greater sense that they can defend themselves. And, simply by blocking Democrats from controlling the executive branch, Trump is protecting these very same people from a sheer "real power" perspective. He also takes the spotlight off of them and focuses it on himself which is a win for both himself (in the sense that Trump loves the camera on him) and his supporters.

    People can see the difference a few years make. The left and establishment media are still trying to control people in the same ways they've been trying to control people, but conservatives are fighting back, they're cancelling the cancellers and they're seizing influence over outlets like Twitter. Though Trump is not directly responsible for any of that, he was one of the catalysts that set the conditions where many more people of influence would feel this was both possible and necessary. If you don't see the difference, you're either not part of the groups that were being targeted; or you don't care about any of this stuff.

    And that may be bigger than any policy win that he had for everyday Americans... and that's saying something.

    Democrats thought that they already won the long game in federal elections via demographic shift in the US. So they jumped the gun, ostracized and ruined many of the people outside of their political circle. They thought they could get away with it without consequences. Trump was the first major middle finger to that and he's still going.
     
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    Take every word that comes out of his mouth with a grain of salt and judge him on his record.

    This isn't 2016, for better or worse, he has one now.
     
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    They may not get it right 100% of the time but the media does help people to sort through what's true and what's not. Without that, you're heading toward a society where people simply believe what they want to be true and facts be damned. See: 2/3 of Iowa caucus voters still believe that Trump actually won the 2020 election.
     
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  10. ajoseph

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    I’m not disagreeing with the point that the constant publications of Trump’s wrongdoings have helped Trump. It’s clear to me that it has. What I was referring to was the comment that people make things up about what Trump is going to do. My comment is that at what point should we believe him, and when should we not? What is the elixir to understanding?
     
  11. ajoseph

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    At the expense of repetition, we can’t just ignore his words. The words of the President matter, to us, to the world. We can’t just ignore them or treat them as surplusage.
     
  12. ajoseph

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    What’s the difference between the “exposing” Trump to charges that you hope aren’t true, and Trump flat out lying to you? Where’s the righteousness in Trump?
     
  13. AzCatFan

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    Before Hitler became known for the Holocaust, he was a failed artist and a failed politician. But he had a cult of personality, built a huge following, and became a world leader. And once he gained power, not only did he not relinquish it, he abused it on a scale the world hasn't really ever seen before. And let's hope we never see again.

    Before Castro rose to power, he was a failed baseball pitcher who lead a failed military incursion on his home in Cuba. But he had a cult of personality, built a huge following, and eventually succeeded in becoming a world leader. And once he gained power, not only did he not relinquish it, he abused it. He punished his enemies, took their property and monies, and sent boatloads of criminals towards the US shores.

    Before Trump rose to power, he was a property developer who declared bankruptcy several times. He was also a TV gameshow host. If he rises to power again, do you think he'll easily relinquish it? He didn't the first time. And abuse of power? Trump is proposing building huge detention camps for undocumented immigrants, and treating them as vermin, so they stop "poisoning the blood" of Americans. Where have we heard rhetoric like this before in history?

    I'm a believer in Godwin's law which states that once someone makes a comparison to Hitler, that person has lost the argument. But with Trump, he's the exception. There are loud railroad crossing signs and signals going off that should be a warning to anyone with half a brain who has studied the history of how despots rise to power. And what happens when they win it.

    Trump has told us he'll be a dictator for a day. I don't believe him. He'll be a dictator until he dies if he's elected again.
     
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  14. ajoseph

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    So much to unpack here, so little space.
     
  15. Gator715

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    Biden: Targets his political opponents, likens them to Nazis, makes America weaker and perceived as weak, left Afghanistan in disastrous fashion, wants to sell the military on "diversity" rather than "strength," has dramatically worsened the border crisis, tried working with private companies to censor people violating the First Amendment, tried mandating COVID vaccines via OSHA, is a complete creep with children.

    Trump: Says mean things, January 6th (which can't be replicated because it's his last election), is chauvinistic with women the extent of which is debatable.

    Looks like a no-brainer to me.
     
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    Pretty clear what he actually means. It's a word play. He means it on day one he's going to sign a lot of Executive Orders greatly expanding his power. That's what he means by saying he will only be a dictator for one day. Of course, he will continue to exercise his power unless limited by some other force. It's just to play on words.

    He also direct all the retaliation and prosecution of his enemies on that day.
     
  17. AzCatFan

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    Trump actually uses Nazi quoted rhetoric when addressing his political opponents and immigrants. Biden followed the Trump Afghan withdraw plan for the most part, with the only change moving it back six months, because Biden knew it would be a disaster had they followed the original timeline. Trump speaks good, racist rhetoric about the border, but accomplished nothing in his four years to stop undocumented immigration, and now, the Rs are potentially blocking legislation that could help. But the far R, including Trump, doesn't want to give Biden a win on the border. And the COVID vaccine? Only saved hundreds of thousands of Americans.

    Trump is a dictator in waiting. He not only says mean things, but has stated he wants to destroy his domestic enemies and build concentration camps for immigrants. It is a no-brainer, and those with no brain are the ones ignoring history, and don't believe Trump when he tells them exactly who he is.
     
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  18. mikemcd810

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    Can't argue with that kind of objective analysis lol.

    Vote for whoever you want but if you think you're even remotely looking at this objectively you're not even close. You're looking for anything to justify your already made up mind.
     
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  19. Gator715

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    You could've saved a lot of time by simply saying this:

    Biden: "Yes, but the ends justify the means, we saved lives after all, and Trump wanted to withdraw too, Biden just did it in disastrous fashion."

    Trump: "Yes, he says mean things, and that makes him LITERALLY HITLER." :mad:
     
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  20. Gator715

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    What part of what I said isn't correct?