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Discussion in 'Alligator Alley (other sports)' started by ETGator1, Aug 23, 2023.

  1. ocalaman

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    Gators struggled a little on the beam and Auburn had an excellent floor exercise, but Florida held on to win 197.325 - 197.025. Good experience on the road for the young team, improved on their score from last week by .225 and Leann Wong won the All-Around. With Trinity Thomas piling up 9.90's and above almost every match, scores are going to be closer this year, I think. And some of our veterans have to step up to compliment Wong's high scores. This will be an interesting season to see how the team progresses. SEC is brutally strong again.
     
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  2. hoyt233

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    Always great to beat the barners.
     
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  3. MCB51

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    I think we will clean up some things..I like our freshmen..especially Anya Pilgrim
     
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  4. MCB51

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    Big meet next Friday at home against bama
     
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  5. ATL_Gator

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    Better tonight. Finally started sticking some landings. Improved from the 1 good landing we had last week. Victoria and Ellie had a tough night on the beam, but I don't think that will be normal for them. Could have easily pushed a 197.5
     
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  6. manigordo

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    Excepting beam, the young Gator Women looked pretty good for meet 2 at Auburn.
    I was pleasantly surprised by the judging. To my untrained eye it seemed the fairest I recall at an away meet.
     
  7. ETGator1

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    Gators improve, but drops to #8 after LSU posts highest score of season at 198.125 to move from #8 to #2.
     
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  8. chrisH

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    When does Oklahoma join the SEC in Gymnastics? Searching Google it said 2024 (but the standing still list them as Big-12).
     
  9. apkgator

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  10. chrisH

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    Thank you
     
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  11. ETGator1

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    This gets to the heart of subjective NCAA judging whether it gives deference to the higher ranked team or, as in this case, the home team:

    "Doesn't look fair to me" - Olivia Dunne's team, LSU Tigers' triumph raises eyebrows over NCAA scoring system (msn.com)

    No way is the LSU's performer a 10 from one of the judges. I actually like the UK vault better as she didn't wobble backward when she held her feet on the stick. In either case there wasn't a .5 difference between the vaults.

    For subjective judging run amok, get a load of this crapola as reported by College Gym News:

    "Tennessee Collegiate Classic Session Two No. 33 Ball State (198.025), No. 44 Kent State (197.725), No. 62 SEMO (197.05), No. 69 UW-Whitewater (194.450)
    • VT: Pfister (BSU), 10.000
    • UB: Teter (BSU), Middleton (BSU), 10.000
    • BB: Webb (SEMO), Knetzke (Whitewater), 9.925
    • FX: Franz (Kent State), 10.000
    • AA: Middleton (BSU), 39.750
    • Records: Ball State – new team all around record (198.025), new team vault record (49.375), new team bars record (49.775), new 4th highest team beam score (49.25), new team floor record (49.625), new individual all around record (39.75 – Zoe Middleton), new 2nd highest individual all around score (39.575 – Megan Teter), new 3rd highest individual all around score (39.45 – Victoria Henry), tied 5th highest individual all around score (39.375 – Hannah Ruthberg), tied individual vault record (10.0 – Suki Pfister), new individual bars record (10.0 – Zoe Middleton), new individual bars record (10.0 – Megan Teter), tied individual floor record (9.95 – Suki Pfister); Kent State – new team all around record (197.725), tied 2nd highest team vault score (49.3), tied team bars record (49.5), tied 4th highest team beam score (49.25), new team floor record (49.675), tied individual floor record (10.0 – Karlie Franz); SEMO – new team all around record (197.05), new team vault record (49.2), new team bars record (49.35), new 4th highest team beam score (49.175), new 3rd highest team floor score (49.325), new individual all around record (39.575 – Lydia Webb), new 3rd highest individual all around score (39.5 – Taylor Ingle), new individual bars record (10.0 – Lindsay Ockler); and UW-Whitewater – new team all around record (194.45), new 3rd highest team vault score (48.4), new 3rd highest team bars score (48.5), new team beam record (48.7), new 3rd highest team floor score (48.85), new individual beam record (9.925 – Sarah Knetzke)"
    Without seeing this meet, I already know those scores are tainted. It's as if the MAC is going to get their teams in the NCAAs whether they deserve the inclusion or not.

    Subjective inaccurate judging also happens at the NCAA regionals and nationals. After the fact judging by College Gym News in the 2023 finals had both OU and UF as overscored but had UF on top even with Trinity Thomas only competing in two events. OU got the #1 ranked NQS bump. Get enough of the subjective bumps and the higher ranked team wins the event. To beat #1, a team has to be noticeably better than the #1 team. The only thing that should matter is who is better in the meet being judged.

    Judges should be judged after meets. Those responsible for inaccurate bump judging should not be ignored. Score meets fairly or get out of the sport.
     
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  12. jaxg8r

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    Get ready for some blowback ETG. I've made similar observations before to mixed reactions. The LSU home meet Friday night is a perfect example. LSU entered the final rotation v. Kentucky with a .075 lead. Ten minutes later, LSU wins by .525 points, with the highest total score of 2024. Thanks to, as most know, their final event of the night on floor. The most subjective event in gymnastics. So, the #8 ranked team blows out the #6 team by .525 points, in a sport routinely decided by hundredths of a point. And LSU catapults to the #2 ranking. Where they will likely remain for the balance of the year. Move along, nothing to see here.
     
  13. apkgator

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    Blowback? I don't think anyone on the planet questions the inconsistency of judging, especially at the collegiate level. By and large it's all over the place. IMO it's worse re home vs visitor scoring, I agree with ET the higher ranked team sometimes gets a nod but I think that is often also due to difficulty from the elite routines.
     
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    This is why I have trouble defining any event that relies upon a judge to determine the winner as a sport.
     
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  15. ETGator1

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    Less difficult routines have lesser starting values. On Vault, a Yurchenko 1 1/2 is a 10 start value and a Yurchenko is a 9.5 start value. The more 10 start values, the better.

    Collegiate sports should start with reviewing what is taught in the judges training schools and then move into judging the judges. Something needs to be done to ensure fair meet judging so as to protect the integrity of the collegiate sport.

    California had identical high 197's in back-to-back weeks of home and away. That looks like consistency to me.

    Oklahoma, Stanford, and UCLA are at Denver today. I can't help thinking the sooners with clean routines are going to score higher than LSU's 198.125 and they aren't even in the same meet together.

    See Post 319 Below.
     
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  16. buckeyegator

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    Got to keep the tiktok queen relevant.
     
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    Spin it any way you want. Scoring can't be both "all over the place" and "sometimes favor the home team". LSU had their meet against UK won going into the final rotation. At which point the judges awarded the three highest scores of the night to LSU gymnasts on floor. The judges 100% had their thumbs on the scale and a goal in mind. I will never understood the logic of accepting biased judging as long as it's consistently biased.

    And buckeyegator is spot on. Multiple websites had headlines about Olivia Dunne and the LSU gymnasts having a record night. I'll save you some time. She never took off her sweats.

    I just hope the Gators get the same home team advantage when LSU comes to GVL on Feb. 23rd.
     
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  18. ETGator1

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    Our "friends" over at tiger dropping gymnastics recruiting commented about UF having overscored floor routines at Auburn.

    More on LSU Score Gate:

    Olivia Dunne's LSU Tigers victory sparks discussion of intentional underscoring (msn.com)

    Livi is the face of LSU gymnastics, but the story that the judges did Kentucky wrong with their biased scoring for LSU is accurate. Happy reading.

    It's a joke for LSU fan to think UF was overscored at Auburn. LOL!
     
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  19. ETGator1

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    I could have won a lot of $ today if I were a betting man, see bolded in post 315:

    Oklahoma crushed Denver, the home team, UCLA, and Stanford. The drum roll for the final OU score..........

    Oklahoma 198.325

    The score betters LSUs score by .200 and is the highest score of the 2024 season taking over from LSU's 198.125. The judging in collegiate gymnastics is both predictable and disgraceful. The only team that will be allowed to beat OU in 2024 for the national championship is OU. It makes me not want to watch this bs except I do like to watch UF sports.
     
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  20. ATL_Gator

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