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Discussion in 'Nuttin but Net' started by akaGatorhoops, Jan 16, 2024.

  1. akaGatorhoops

    akaGatorhoops GC Columnist VIP Member

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    I reread what you wrote. I think I must’ve initially stopped too early and responded.
    The portion I highlighted does not seem to be in keeping with the rest of your post.
    I think you and I both agree… it did more than simply streamline a process. It lifted a deterrent; and as you said….changed the paradigm of college sports.
     
  2. oragator1

    oragator1 Premium Member

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    I was saying the portal is just a mechanism, it was in place before the rule switch. It just streamlined kids ability to do what they already could. It was the rule switch that actually changed things.
     
  3. akaGatorhoops

    akaGatorhoops GC Columnist VIP Member

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    I gotcha. I’m using “transfer portal “as a general term for the whole transfer phenomenon. I’m not specifically referring to the mechanism in which players declare and submit themselves as a transfer. That’s my bad.
    So yes… I agree… the impactful change was the lifting of the sit-out year, and as you said… this was exacerbated by NIL. My discussions about programs having advantages within the portal weren’t meant to imply they have better computer systems that upload the players list quicker! Lol
     
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  4. paidinfull

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    Agree. The portal made it easier for transfers to communicate. Before they had to basically get individual permission to speak with any other schools. The portal allows them to immediately be able to communicate with any and all suitors. The change to allow free transfers in combination with the ease of communicating with other schools is the why we have the free for all we have now.

    Can’t wait until the ncaa inevitably loses the current lawsuit and all transfers are deemed immediately eligible no matter how many times they’ve moved or what time of year it is. It’s going to be great!
     
  5. WESGATORS

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    Didn't they lift the restriction already for the all of 2023-2024?

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  6. gatordavisl

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    Where do you propose the funds come from, when most athletic departments run a deficit?
     
  7. WESGATORS

    WESGATORS Moderator VIP Member

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    Follow the money; Cleveland State isn't going to be offering the same amount that an SEC program will be offering (maybe just a scholarship and some envelopes).

    "Power Five conferences combined to bring in $3.3 billion in revenue last year"

    Big Ten leads Power Five conferences with $845.6 million in revenue in 2022 fiscal year, per report

    The lowest per-school cut in that article is $37 million.

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  8. gatordavisl

    gatordavisl VIP Member

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    I don't disagree that the $ exists - for the high profile programs. You could add a reduction in outrageous coaches' salaries to the list of income source. I just wanted to hear what you propose because it then begs the question of how the paradigm shift might occur. Are institutional fat cats, including coaches, going to willingly share their monopoly with the players (not rhetorical)?

    Title IX would likely be another stumbling block. Collegiate athletics have obligations to a level playing field and I'm not certain, but don't think that industry financial impact would be a legit reason to have a lopsided income structure.
     
  9. paidinfull

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    They got hit with a TRO. NCAA is still saying that those who play without their permission could be penalized if the NCAA wins the lawsuit.
     
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  10. jeffphillips21

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    Yes I'm not a fan either, and yes was referring to college basketball in general. At least I think he's figured out the right balance of recruits vs portal transfers. The key is to get a good mix of play now guys and development guys, which it seems he's done but it's a system issue - ie how to maximize their talents and the right fit and style to win games. It seems the best kind of coach now is the kind that can showcase a kid's talent, but then that has to coincide with kids buying into team play. The best thing for Golden to do in my opinion is to focus on becoming a system guy - in other words, this is the system or philosophy we have on defense and the type on offense. The type that 1. kids want to play for and more importantly 2. wins games. Of course that's easier said than done.

    This mercenary environment is a tough one, so for him to be successful he has to achieve both. Right now it seems he has a good grasp of #1, but is lacking in #2. Hopefully he can find the type of system that works, because the SEC is not a learn as you go league - but that's what he's faced with. He seems smart though, I still have confidence he'll figure it out. If not, then the AD needs to pay up and bring in someone with a more proven track record.
     
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  11. oragator1

    oragator1 Premium Member

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    If you want to pay the football players, kiss non revenue sports goodbye. Football revenue is what funds them.

    the best solution, not that I would think the ncaa or the schools would ever have the balls to do it, would be a football and maybe basketball spending cap for coaches and assistants salaries. Would free up 10 million at a lot of schools for other things if the all in was set at like 4 million, and level the field for smaller schools. And the insane buyouts would die too.
     
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  12. paidinfull

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    That could be supplemented with third party money just like NIL is now. I think a limit on salaries and/or buyouts would constitute price fixing/collusion, unless the coaches agreed to a cba, which they have no reason to do.
     
  13. WESGATORS

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    I doubt they'd go away; they'd probably get a lot less expensive (relative to what they bring in). But that's an interesting choice of words. Of all the things that we could "want" to do but can't...paying football players doesn't come anywhere near the front of the discussion for 99% of the folks in here (I would imagine).

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  14. GatorLurker

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    We looked OK versus Virginia.

    Actually we got them to play a much faster tempo than they wanted and that was against a team with a very good coach and we didn't have Pullen.
     
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  15. akaGatorhoops

    akaGatorhoops GC Columnist VIP Member

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    yeah… I didn’t get to watch most of that one. I don’t think we scored a bunch, but few do.
     
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  16. wci347

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    When is the last time Florida got a top 10 recruit in basketball? Bradley Beal?

    While having a capable coach is indispensable to a program’s success, getting a string of 5 star recruits to commit who are SEC ready (Mann and Lewis were not) goes a long way to rebuilding a program. We have had two 5 star players (Reeves was a four star) since Billy Donovan (10 years) who barely got us into the tournament.

    Billy created a pipeline of 4 and 5 star talent, and used his vast coaching and playing experience the nurture them into champions.

    But Donovan would not have been able to do it without the top tier talent. Granted the two NC teams only had one starting 5 star, but unlike Mann and Lewis Brewer went on to have a significant career in the NBA and started from day one for Billy.. Mann has potential to have a great career. Lewis is a question mark?
     
  17. akaGatorhoops

    akaGatorhoops GC Columnist VIP Member

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    i don’t know what the right formula or balance is between portal and high school talent. But not many people will argue that you need the players.
    That aside- I think Todd put together a talented roster, but one i feel is under performing.
     
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  18. wci347

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    They are close. TG has to get them to buy into themselves. If you hit a tee shot out of bounds, you have to tee up the next ball and put the last shot out of your mind.
     
  19. keefer

    keefer If I Was Any Dumber I'd Be You Premium Member

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    From an X's & O's standpoint, TG will continue to get schooled in the SEC with his "analytics" approach. He'd better develop a feel for the game. Calipari, Pearl, Barnes, etc. are gonna exploit what you don't do well, analytics be damned. Motivate and coach your players and elevate their level of play. There's only one analytic that matters.
     
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  20. gatordavisl

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    Today Bama lost at TN worse than the Gators. This five game start to the SEC schedule is pretty nutz, so we might have to hang in there for a bit and see how the Gator guys rebound bounce back respond.
     
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