Texas: Where healthcare just means more (if you’re a man)

The highest court in Texas ruled, based on the law, that Cox had only two options to remain in legal and not get arrested. 1. Remain pregnant and pray nothing happens. 2. End up in the ER with a deadly condition serious enough that the doctors could act.

The doctors, knowing that #2 was the most likely thing to happen, wanted to prevent Cox from ending up in the ER with a deadly condition. If the doctors had full discretion, they would have aborted based on the facts that fetus was highly likely to die already, and Cox was highly likely to to have serious, deadly complications if she remained pregnant. The Texas courts overruled the doctor's discretion, and didn't allow them to perform preventative care on Cox.

The law doesn't allow for full doctor discretion. Not if and when the Texas court overrules what the doctor says is the best course of medical action. And in other cases similar to Cox, in Texas, because there is no way to get a preventative abortion before the life is in danger, women will die from pregnancy complications that could have easily been prevented.

 

Serious question. And I don’t know the answer either.

Why was this taken to court based on the law?

What in the law requires a doctor and or the hospital to take this to court?

It is not hard to document tests/scans/discussions/treatments.

From the law…

“”Standard medical practice" means the degree of skill, care, and diligence that an obstetrician of ordinary judgment,learning,andskillwouldemployinlikecircumstances….

AAIn making a determination under Subsection (b), the
physicianmustuseatestthatis:
(1)AAconsistent with the physician’s good faith and
reasonableunderstandingofstandardmedicalpractice;and”

It did not copy and paste well. But what would cause a doctor that believed the mothers life was in jeopardy from doing so and performing an abortion. Doctors will have different interpretations for sure on what defines life threatening. But nothing in the law prohibited a doctor in their “good faith” from performing an abortion if the “standard of care” was within reason.

I have my suspicion as to why this ended up in court. But I have not spent time trying to figure it out and do not plan to.

 

Nonsense. There is no reason this should have ended up in court. But it did. And for a reason. One of them being it gets the hyperbole you keep spewing about “being on deaths door” to try and make people think it is ok to kill the most innocent legally.

 

No one has to go to court over this. That is more hyperbolic lying. The law allows the doctor to practice in “good faith”!

 

The case ended up in court because there was no clarity on the law. And Cox and her doctors didn't want to end up in jail. So to get clarity, they went to the courts, and the courts were clear. Again, from the ruling, her life wasn't in enough danger, at the time she petitioned, to warrant an abortion.

This left Cox with two options to stay out of jail if she were to remain in Texas. Hope and pray her pregnancy doesn't have any further complications that causes her to be in enough, imminent danger to warrant the abortion. Or end up in the ER with enough complications and danger so the doctors had no choice but to act to hopefully save her life.

Had the doctor performed the abortion before going to court, it would have put both Cox and her doctor in danger of being arrested. And considering the Texas high court's ruling, they would have been found guilty.

 

You're never going to get it no matter how many times it's explained to you. It's sickening that women have to be put through this only because you and others like you don't want strangers who they'll never meet to have an abortion even when it's their best (and sometimes only) course of action.

Do you honestly believe this poor woman just decided she didn't want this baby and put herself through this entire ordeal just so she could get an abortion? Go ahead and say it's hyperbole or made up but deep down you know this is a very real scenario and women are being put through hell - not just in Texas but other states as well. I guess if a few thousand women have to go through a nightmare like this it's worth to prevent other abortions right?

 

No. I do not believe that in this case. I think this is a rare case. I am not sure she received good care either. I do not know the facts. But I do know the Texas Law provides doctors what they need to do their job.

I also understand some doctors are going to view things different than other doctors. And that is fine. We have to trust they will act in "good faith" and that can happen with two completely differing views on how to treat a patient.

 

You know the facts. You refuse to believe them.

 

If you actually believe that, I have a bridge....

 

Just stick your head in the sand and pretend it's not happening. It happened here and the same scenario is happening all over the country.

I thought people who are religious are supposed to be compassionate? People are unnecessarily suffering and it's entirely avoidable.

 

BS.

You don’t have the doctors notes. You have media stories. Your ignorance is palpable. I am willing to admit she may have received poor care. But don’t know. Yet you seem to know answers without the facts.

The only thing I can get to is you are obsessed with legally killing the most innocent for convenience based on your obsession with rare cases that you do not have all the information on…yet Kill!

 

I have no bridge at all. You though…

 

BS!

You let a news story drive you without knowing the facts. They took it to the courts to make it public. Why? I posit so you can make ignorant posts like this.

Nothing in the Texas law stopped the doctor(s) from acting in “good faith”and performing an abortion if the mothers life was in jeopardy. Nothing!

 

We have the doctor named on the suit asking for an abortion. We have Cox, who never complained about her level of care. We have the Texas Supreme Court ruling saying Cox's life wasn't in enough danger at the time, and denied her petition to abort. What the eff more do you want?

You are making every possible excuse to not admit it is the law is hurting women. Doesn't matter how rare. By the way, 2% of abortions are for medical issues that could kill the woman. Still, these were real women, in the worst ordeal of their lives, and the law is telling them they have no option but to wait until they are on death's door until they can act.

I don't want women to abort for any reason. But I also find it unacceptable to put women in a situation where there is no hope for the fetus, and the woman has to wait until she's about to die to do anything about it.

I know why you can't admit you and the law is hurting women. One, you hate the fact the law is causing harm, which you don't want. And two, you also know that with cases like Cox, you know had the courts ruled in favor of Cox, there's a loophole doctors and women will exploit. And you can't have that either.

 

So we have a doctor that knows the standard of care was adequate and the mothers life was not in jeopardy. But wanted to make a law suit. Okay…

Which is why I ask. Why the law suit? This is not about the mothers life. This is about killing the child.

 

Cox was left with two legal, awful choices if she stayed in Texas. Remain pregnant, knowing her child was likely not survive a week at most, and more likely to die in utero. Meanwhile, every day she's also more and more likely to end up in the ER with serious, life threatening complications, and there was nothing she could do to prevent it. And option 2 was end up in the ER with a life threatening condition.

They went to court because the law isn't clear. After the Texas Supreme Court ruling, the law is clear now. Cox, and women like her in a similar condition, can't save the child. And they can't save themselves until they end up in the ER with life threatening issues. This means more women dying, like another in Texas. And if they do survive, other complications like infertility, which happened in Tennessee.

Your excuses are BS. Nobody is complaining Cox received inferior care except you. You simply cannot accept the facts in this case, and that the law you think is protecting people are harming, even killing women.

 

I have not said once she received inferior care. I have said it is possible. If I said she received inferior care then I should have been prefaced with or followed by it is/was “possible”. But pretty sure I have made that distinction this entire time.

You just want to be able to kill the most innocent legally and are obsessed with this unfortunate rare case.

 

Here's another example. Sound like a woman who just wanted to kill an innocent baby for convenience?

You can't just waive it away Q. This scenario is real and innocent people are hurting. If your position is "I don't care if a few hundred couples like this have to suffer in order to prevent a few thousand borderline abortion cases" then fine. But you can't pretend like these stories are all just made up.

Blair Nelson and her husband started trying to conceive in 2018 right after they got married. When the Austin, Texas, couple was not getting pregnant as quickly as they wanted, Nelson switched to an OB-GYN that a friend had recommended.

"We found out pretty much immediately that things were going to be hard for us for a multitude of reasons, and he sent me straight to an IVF clinic," Nelson said in an interview with ABC News.

Since then, Nelson has undergone five rounds of in vitro fertilization, seven embryo transfers, multiple surgeries and also had an early miscarriage. But it was all worth it for Nelson, who got pregnant and gave birth in May 2021 to her daughter -- she was her fifth embryo transfer.

The couple still wanted to grow their family. Nelson got pregnant again, through her sixth embryo transfer, but she received devastating news 12 weeks in -- the fetus had rare, fatal anomalies making survival unlikely.

Delayed and denied: Women pushed to death's door for abortion care in post-Roe America

 

We know the babies are put through hell. And I believe we can fairly surmise that Cox is a pawn in a wider effort to chip away at restrictions that protect the unborn. So kindly can your misdirected outrage.

 

The babies in these scenarios are being put through hell by the people who want to force them to be born only to have to suffer for the short period of time they'll survive.

I'll chalk you up as another person who just wants to pretend this isn't happening so you can feel better when you go to sleep at night.