Mayor Adams announces $708 MM lawsuit against charter bus cos. sending migrants to city

We're all going to need greyhound therapy if they keep the border open.

 

Lets use an updated chart....

Infographic: Southern Border Apprehensions at All-Time High


Oh and 2023 will be just over 2.5 million crushing 2022s...

Anyhow, what should border states do with all these people? Why are self-proclaimed sanctuary cities now trying to find ways to slow down migrants to their cities?

 

What we should do: understand that people are coming here due to labor shortages and create a system in which immigrants are matched to jobs around the country. Don't forbid them to work. Conduct zoom interviews at the border where businesses can get the labor they need. Have those businesses pay to transport the migrants to their locations. Permit work immediately after completing a background check.

 

I agree!!! I also think we stop them coming through as much as possible until what you say happens. There is no way we can handle 12,000 a day, so why not make them wait until their turn??

 

Largely because government is an always will be ineffective at stopping people moving when there are labor shortages. Look at the border today versus under Reagan. We have constructed massive amounts of infrastructure, hired a huge labor force to work for the government in stopping immigration, and actually criminalized illegal entry (it wasn't a criminal act in the days of Reagan). We spend literally 10x what we used to spend on the border each year. And what has the led us to? The point where you all complain that the border is open.

Nobody can ever give me an answer as to how much we would need to spend to actually "close the border." I suspect that is largely because nobody has any actual idea of how to do that.

 

Why is Biden actively trying to stop states from implementing anything that might slow down or funnel these people to a central point for easier processing?

I think our immigration system is terrible. I have helped so many non-US citizens buy a home over the last 13 years. They will be on an EAD or green card for 10 plus years. It blows me away someone who has been here for 10 years, working and paying taxes while still waiting to become a citizen...
Biden should have hired 80k people to work our immigration system, not IRS.

We need to find a way to slow this down. If large cities are buckling at thousands of migrants to their cities, what does that say about other states that don't have the resources of NY or Chicago?

 

We have hired far more than 80k people for immigration. We need to stop treating immigrants like they aren't people. Allow them to choose their final destination. Allow them to work. Provide resources to helpatch people with jobs. Stop pretending that big government is the solution.

 

The border will never be totally secure, I think any of us that say "secure the boarder first" accept the fact that it will never be 100% secure. But in the same light if we try to, and we actually have some semblance of we know what we are doing, go after and deport those who enter illegally, not demonize ICE, and ship people around the country for jobs that are available it would go a long way in helping the situation.

 

Housing is hella expensive and limited supply in NYC and Chicago, and whatever they do use is basically competing with homeless shelters and other city services. It would actually make more sense to build processing centers in more suburban or rural areas where land is cheap and facilities can be built specifically designed for an functional immigration process. Of course that would require congress to get off its ass and extremists to stop grandstanding against immigration.

 

Yet you need a big government in order to do everything you suggested.

Do you think there are over 10 million jobs available? JOLTS is showing well under 9 million. Also, what are the qualifications of many of these folks?
How do we know the background of all these people? How do we know how many are possible terrorists? How many have criminal past?
I am guessing a very small percentage but we don't know that up front. Do you just want to spread them around?

 

I am ok with building big processing centers in rural areas where land is cheap.

It doesn't change we need to find a way to slow this down. Doesnt matter how big if we have to deal with 2.5 million a year.

 

We regularly deport people. We have, in fact, seen constant increase in deportations. There is no indication that doing so has slowed the claim that the border is "open." Also, what does that (or ICE, who doesn't operate on the border) have to do with the border? Also, why would people saying mean things about a government agency mean that the border isn't secure?

So the claim here is that the border will never be totally secure, but if we do exactly what we are doing, but keep people from saying mean things about ICE, everything will be better?

 

Not nearly as big of a government. Trying to get people to not do what is in their economic best interests is a lot harder and more labor intensive than trying to assist people in pursuing their economic best interest.

Job availability is not a static figure. The more people in the country, the more demand for labor. I would suspect most of these people are low skilled laborers, which is an area that we need additional labor support, apparently. Everything from the market is showing that. We have spent the last 6 years with more job openings than unemployed people. We are in a massive labor shortage. People are trying to correct that, as would be suggested by free market economic theory. Unfortunately, we have a massive government bureaucracy preventing them from doing that. So the correction is happening very, very slowly.

In terms of background checks, conduct standard background checks on people. Hiring always contains some risks, as no background check is perfect. The market can account for those risks as well (I don't want to hire a violent individual as an employer, for example, so there are ways to mitigate that risk).

 

Can you walk and chew gum at the same time?????
What is ICE? No has nothing to do with the border security but it damn sure has a lot to do with deporting illegals. Your side is in charge and what has your side said? Eliminate ICE! Defund ICE? Sanctuary cities that do cooperate with ICE. Sounds a lot like your side is trying to not deport illegals, and despite that effort, ICE has still been able to deport a fraction of the illegals coming.
You tell me is that encouraging someone to come here illegally or in support of?

 

ICE is Immigration and Customs Enforcement. CBP is Customs and Border Patrol. CBP works on the border. ICE does not generally.

ICE's funding has continued to be increased year-by-year. It hasn't been defunded. And you said "my side" is in charge. So that kind of logically blows up your point, doesn't it?

 

What did I post that wasn't factually correct?
Did your side say defund ICE?
Did your side want to eliminate ICE?
Did any city become a sanctuary city while a pub was the Mayor?
Obviously the CBP works the border, but once they have traveled in country who handles the deporting?
Since the creation of DHS in 2003, ICE spending has nearly tripled, from $3.3 billion to $8.3 billion today. Much of this funding has gone to increasing the agency’s ability to hold immigrants in detention in locations around the country.

 

I don't know who "my side" on this issue even is. I think we should lower funding to ICE. However, elected Democrats don't agree with me.

Same issue. But no, even I don't want to eliminate ICE, as there is a need for both Immigration and Customs Enforcement. However, it should be a smaller government agency, in my opinion. Elected Democrats apparently don't agree, as their funding increases.

The definition of "sanctuary city" seems highly variable. But some people certainly claimed that the entire state of Vermont did it when a Pub was Governor.

Wow, amazing how you are both claiming that ICE is being defunded while showing the spending on them tripling. What do you think defunding means?

 

It tripled in 20 years!!! and is less then $9 billion of our what $3 plus trillion-dollar budget! Oh, it is important by the left.
I say your side based on your posting history from what I have seen. I wouldn't call the vast majorities of your opinions right leaning! We have had several discussions on here and some of them good and you are not like most of the hard core left on here but your posts definitely have a left slant.

 

Yes, and those increases have persisted regardless of who is in office. Tripling a budget over 20 years. That is quite an increase. And yet, the border is "open." We are hiring huge numbers of workers, installing massive pieces of infrastructure, and, yet, the border is still open. So how much more to consider the border not open?

 

Joe Biden has zero policies to defund or eliminate ICE.. .You are just making stuff up. ICE doesnt deport anyone, judges do. ICE just escorts them.

Here is the budget. I am not sure what you are even talking about. Im no expert but i dont see $8.3B with a bunch of funding for detention. Looks to me like it has gone from $5.4B to $5.9B and the president is proposing $6.8B with the vast increase in processing funding to eliminate the backlog of cases.



https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2023-03/U.S. CITIZENSHIP AND IMMIGRATION SERVICES_Remediated.pdf