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Nikki Haley acknowledges Civil War ‘about slavery’ after facing backlash

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by dangolegators, Dec 28, 2023.

  1. Orange_and_Bluke

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    I didn’t see his previous posts about that…
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  2. mrhansduck

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    The motive/intent behind them matter to me. I think state and local governments have the right to decide which monuments to display and promote. I also oppose vandalism and think people engaging in that should be charged.
     
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  3. duggers_dad

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    If we can document that a statue was erected, specifically to demean blacks, it should be torn down ?

    I suppose that would save the Lincoln Memorial. After all, Lincoln held blacks in contempt and seriously considered plans to deport them.
     
  4. duggers_dad

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    Anti-vax is the new racism!
     
  5. mdgator05

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    The moral relativist position is an interesting one to me. Somehow, this argument suggests that because an immoral thing happened, it was okay to engage in immoral actions. There were many that spoke against immorality at the time. There is no reason that we can't recognize that slavery was immoral just because lots of people engaged in immoral activity.

    In terms of why we tear down those statues instead of Washington and Jefferson, there is a pretty easy explanation: intent and why there is a statue in the first place. The statues for Jefferson and Washington are not up because they fought for slavery or owned slaves. They are up for their other reasons. Confederate statues were not erected for some other reason: they were erected to celebrate leaders in the fight to maintain slavery. The goal in doing so was to justify Jim Crow and the re-establishment of the racial social order in the South.

    Why should the owner of a statue be forced to sell them? If I own a statue and decide to put it in my closet, should I be forced to sell it too?
     
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  6. mrhansduck

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    I don't think our government should be promoting monuments intended to demean Black people. If it's private property, however, the owner has free speech rights that should be protected.
     
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  7. duggers_dad

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    The next time we have to suffer through a statue-toppling mass-formation phenomenon, can we call a timeout and discuss guidelines for removal ?
     
  8. Gatoragman

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    I will probably regret asking this!!
    You state that slavery was immoral. What makes slavery immoral? Who sets the guidelines for what is immoral or not? Who gives the rights to any human? I'm not being racist here as I am saying owning slaves of any race, color or creed. I personally believe slavery is immoral and the owning of another human is immoral and I know where I get that. Just curious as to the left as to where their moral compass comes from?
     
  9. mdgator05

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    Every human has the right to set their own morality. Are you asking where morality comes from in general? Or just why would people find the act of systematically abusing people and holding them against their will for free labor based on race to be immoral?
     
  10. mrhansduck

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    We have had those sorts of debates where I live with strong feelings on both sides. We've also been discussing these issues nationally for quite a long time. No reason IMO we have to wait until next time when a specific monument is at issue to have the conversation. We're discussing it here and now, after all.
     
  11. duggers_dad

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    You’re a brave soul, but I believe it’s a fair question. Maybe they believe the liberal parts of the Bible but not the conservative parts of the Bible.
     
  12. duggers_dad

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    And I regard it as derangement.
     
  13. Gatoragman

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    To be sure you understand what I am saying. Slavery because of a race is not what I am asking. If every human has a right to set their own morality, if I believe if its moral to own another human, how can you say that is immoral?
     
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  14. mdgator05

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    Because I have the right to morality as well. So I say it is immoral. However, slavery hardly seems like a marginal case. Nobody has a right to unchallenged morality. They just have the right to morality.
     
  15. mrhansduck

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    If you personally believe that slavery is immoral, what is the basis for your belief? Also, why single out the left in asking about their beliefs on this? I have a hunch about where you're going with it but don't want to assume.
     
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    I feel like Haley agrees with us, she just wants to be strategic in how she implements these changes.

    She talks to people who disagree with her on the Confederate flag like they’re her friends, but with a firm stance saying that we shouldn’t support something like that.
     
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  17. duggers_dad

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    I just wish that “because I have a right to morality too” would have sufficed in 2020.

    Ah well, I suppose we’ve made some moral progress from …

    1860: shackled and forced to work.

    2020: locked down and prohibited from working.
     
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  18. duggers_dad

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    You do recall that after the Dylan Roof murders she had the Confederate flag removed from the S.C. statehouse, don’t you ?
     
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  20. Gatoragman

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    What makes your right to your own morality supersede mine?