Nikki Haley acknowledges Civil War ‘about slavery’ after facing backlash

I’d be happy to talk about slavery. I simply reject that it was the cause of the war. Sorry if that offends. Actually, I’m not sorry. I refuse to pablum-ize history for fear of offending somebody 160 years on.

 

Essentially, Haley agreed with Lincoln to begin with.

She f***ed up by mollifying the mob.

 

"Concerted effoert to rewrite history..." new????

Those monuments that were torn down 2-3 years ago had been erected in the neighborhood of 100 years ago.

The cause of the CW is merely academic, and while you and da snowglobe, and the *'nothing to see here' Biden catastrophe cover crew* want to distill this academic query to a one word answer, literally thousands, if not 10's of thousands of books have been written on the subject.

It's always a compelling issue...in history classrooms.

It's a dead horse kicked to hell n back for over a century now, in terms of relevant current affairs.

 

Those statues were a disgrace and legacy of The Lost Cause revisionist history. But… just because you don’t want to discuss it doesn’t make it unworthy of discussion. Just pay it no mind if you don’t want to talk about it.

 

Sure, let's talk about it. Say in the Pub, in a thread about the Civil War.

It's a childish idiotic distraction and a cheap pot shot as a political cudgel against a current POTUS candidate (unless she actually said something stupid or worth weighing in, like if she had suggested bringing slavery back, or even that it was ever a good thing... She didn't; all she did was attempt to couch her language into something relevant to today--to wit--individual freedom vis a vis the government).

(and sure, those monuments were a legacy of 'the lost cause movement'--which was and remains so 20th century...).

 

Her answer was the problem, not the question.

 

I think we've established who thinks which is the problem.

But then you like kicking this dead horse, don'tcha?

 

Pretty sure I didn’t bring this up. I’m just participating in the same thread you are participating in. Interesting that I have no problem with you discussing your point of view, yet a lot of your dialogue is centered around wanting the subject to not be discussed.

 

Is it?

 

So then why not sell them to historical groups to be used in museums or on private land? While I think the whole thing is disingenuous, I do not believes cities have the right to just bury them in some warehouse. I'm from New Orleans originally and that's what happened to the Robert E. Lee, Jefferson Davis and P.G.T. Beauregard statues in New Orleans. And yet with their removal the city hasn't improved, crime hasn't gone down at all and the city is no more united than it was prior.

The problem I have with the whole statue argument is that we only used "presentism". The idea that we use modern current day standards to judge the past and can not understand that the standards were different. 500 years from now we might be judged for slaughtering animals for food and those people will think they are morally superior and we are evil. Those people will be wrong. By using "presentism" we are assuming that we are the only moral people and that somehow someway we are morally superior to those in the past. I assure you this, people today are NOT morally superior to those in the past.

That's not to save slavery was right, but I can understand it was the reality back then. Even in the Confederacy had won the war and was able to have their own country separate from the U.S., I believe the economics of slavery would've made it obsolete in 50 years. And while slavery was the main issue in the Civil War, I think it's pathetic that we ignore that the vast majority of those who fought for the Confederacy didn't own a single slave. Many of those southerners might not have been any wealthier than those slaves and probably barely had a few pennies to their name. One of my distant relatives was a Confederate soldier and from the stories that were passed down, he was not a bad man. He didn't agree with slavery but he was always going to fight for his state. He would've never fought against Louisiana. And again for most soldier they were fighting for their state, for their homes. While slavery was the big factor for the Confederate Government and the rich plantation owners, it was not a big factor for the regular soldiers in the battlefield.

Again going by modern day standards (which is wrong) any monuments to George Washington or Thomas Jefferson should be removed. Should we go destroy Monticello tomorrow?

I find it ironic that as we try to erase anything about the Confederacy and the Civil War from our consciousness, we ironically get much closer to having another Civil War. If you don't want the statues on city land, so be it, but the cities should be forced to sell the statues if there is a buyer. They should not be able to hold them. Even if they can't find a buyer at the end of the day real people built those statues. They should be returned to those individuals families if they want them. But they should not rot in some warehouse.

 

Wait...wha???

You don't think toppling the statues has brought us closer as a people?

...or turning everything into a race issue....or finding racist boogeymen lurking behind every issue...

How could you insinuate such a thing?

What's your basis?

Linky?!?!?

 

Whatever

 

What’s the shelf life of blacks being wounded by events 160 years ago ?

 

Thank you for sharing a different, reasonable response to this subject.
POST MORE OFTEN!!

 

Wait, you do?
Can’t tell if serious.

 

Of course I'm serious. Deadly serious. The official Monkey Seal declares it so!

 

There's a distinction in my mind here. I don't think monuments honoring Washington and Jefferson were put up because they owned slaves. They are honored for other reasons including important things they accomplished as presidents of the United States. Many of the Confederate monuments, on the other hand, were financed and erected many years after the Civil War by folks who sought for the Confederacy to be viewed in a favorable historic light and/or by those who were pushing Jim Crow-style segregation policies. Honoring the Confederacy in particular seems quite different to me, but I am fine with Confederate monuments being in museums.

 

So it’s the motive behind the statues ? I don’t get the impression that the statue-toppling crazies of 2020 were willing to grant any distinctions.

 

Relieved to see that you agree with the guy who was ranting about having pureblood in another thread. I found myself nodding along and agreeing with way too many of your football posts recently