Texas: Where healthcare just means more (if you’re a man)

If this is true, why was Kate Cox denied a life saving abortion? As were these women in this article as well?

 

I was just asking for an update on Kate Cox. Is she dead yet for being denied the right to kill her baby first ?

 

You are aware that in both cases there was virtually no chance that the "babies" could survive.

I guess by your standards two deaths, one avoidable and one inevitable is a better outcome than a single unavoidable death which may have occurred a few hours sooner as the result of medical intervention.

 

But isn’t your contention that if the babies weren’t killed they’d kill their mothers ? Is Kate Cox no longer with us ?

 

While Texas does have that exception doctors are still reluctant to perform abortions until a patient is literally on death's door. The possibility that a continued pregnancy could jeopardize the life or health of a pregnant patient is not sufficient to justify an abortion. Doctors are effectively given the choice of performing an abortion when the procedure may be more prudent and risking loss of his/her license to practice medicine or even worse criminal prosecution or waiting for a condition progresses to the point in which death is a likely outcome but for medical intervention.

 

Alternatively, any humane doctor is loathe to kill a baby until they absolutely have to, which is rarely if ever. See: Kate Cox.

 

The situations in Ireland and Poland were not the same as that of Kate Cox. In the case of the patient in Ireland she was experiencing premature labor around the 19th week of pregnancy and was in the process of miscarrying. A 19 week-old fetus has absolutely no chance of survival. While she was in the process of waiting for the fetus to die she developed sepsis which resulted in her death. In the case of the Polish woman she was carrying twins one of which had already died in utero. She was forced to carry the dead twin until the other one died. The suspicion was that she also died of sepsis although there was never a formal determination regarding the actual cause of her death. While the life of Kate Cox was not in jeopardy her health and future fertility definitely were and in any event there was virtually no chance of the fetus surviving even she was forced to give birth. It would have died in utero or very shortly after birth.

 

Pure BS!

But sadly that what is used to support the killing of the most innocent for convenience.

The real issue is you are not concerned about the mothers health. You just want to legally be able to kill a child for convenience and allow abortion to be used as a contraceptive.

You very well know that the mothers life is hardly ever in jeopardy and that 99%ish of abortions are for convenience. Texas has an exception as they should. Abortion is not about the mothers health. It is about killing the child inside of the mother.

 

If they document the case. They will be fine. The sad thing is we are using the 1% of abortions (which are legal) to try and persuade people to say it’s okay to use abortions for convenience.

We know what abortions are used for. It is not about the mothers health. In the very rare case it is about the mothers health. It is still a legal procedure.

 

Kate Cox was able to leave Texas and get a safe abortion before she went into sepsis. Had she not been able to travel out of state, doctors would have waited until she was septic until they felt they could legally perform the abortion. At which point, Cox's life would be in danger. And if she survived, her potential to ever carry to term would have been in danger as well. Kate Cox is still with us today, healthy, and potentially able to carry a child to term in the future only because she was able to get a safe and legal abortion long before she ever became septic.

 

The very title of this thread is sexist as hell. I dont see women bitching to sign up for selective service and go die in war. Until rights are equalized regardless of sex, I have little skin in the game to get bent out of shape over someone's right to get a crotch goblin removed.

 

A woman going into a septic condition due to a pregnancy complication and/or self abortion attempt was unfortunately common pre-ROE. Every major hospital in every major city had a Septic Ward pre-Roe. Texas seems to be heading back to the future.

 

And the chief law enforcement officer of the state threatened prosecution even after the initial judicial decision saying that is an emergency abortion was warranted. And then the Texas Supreme Court simply gaslighted by saying that there was no real danger of prosecution and the doctors had the correct words, notwithstanding the fact that the Atty. Gen. of the state so that he would prosecute. It's just patently dishonest

 

I will be honest. I have not spent any time researching Kate Cox and her case. I knew of a case in Texas where a mother wanted an abortion and said her life was in jeopardy or something. I will just say. Without the doctors notes we know nothing! And to assume one way or the other is just naive without knowing all the facts. Which we do not.

At the end of the day you are stuck on the outlier situation to defend the killing of the most innocent while saying it is about the mothers health. 99% of abortions have nothing to do with the mothers health!

 

The woman herself appeared to let the cat out of the bag. It wasn’t about her health …

“There's no outcome here that I take home my healthy baby girl,” is telling. What Cox is admitting is that she does have the opportunity to give birth to a baby girl who may have some major health challenges or may live for a short time. But because it will not be the "healthy baby girl" she desired, she'd rather abort the child.

Kate Cox and the Texas Abortion Law: We Need to Look Beyond the Talking Points

 

I agree most abortions do not have anything to do with health, but I personally don't want any laws on the books for this. If someone wants to abort, go for it, it's none of my business. Morality is not enforceable in a free and open society.

Having said that, Texas has every right to limit it's own rights by voting these laws on the books. Not my problem...

 

And by extension, want to kill somebody ? Go for it. None of my business. Morality is not enforceable in a free and open society.

 

Then define life in the Constitution so we don't have to have this hundred year old conversation again.