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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. chemgator

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    If Ukraine had long-range missiles, they would have used them by now. I think it's doubtful that the U.S. or NATO countries would give Ukraine those kinds of weapons.
     
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    I think Biden only invokes your name when he takes a dump, or, as he calls it, a Duggars Dad. In fact, I've heard that the entire Joint Chiefs-of-Staff have adopted this nomenclature.
     
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  3. uftaipan

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    You never know. Russia keeps insisting that we give Ukraine more and more advanced weapons. And they have proven that there’s little and less they can do about it tactically or strategically. I can remember a time when tanks were out of the question. If Russia insists we give Ukraine Tomahawks next, then I have no objection. Besides, the combat radius of an F16 is probably a lot less than the max effective range of other weapons Ukraine does have. And we probably aren’t going to give Ukraine tankers to extend the range of their fighters.
     
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  4. chemgator

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    Russia backs off using aircraft to attack Ukraine in the Kherson area, after losing three jets in one day.

    Russia's air force appears to be backing off after Ukraine took out 3 of its jets, experts say (yahoo.com)

     
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    More funding now! They’re not dying fast enough!

     
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    Coming Spring 2024 …

     
  7. Gatorhead

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    One Podcaster is reporting a fourth Russian aircraft may also have been destroyed.

    All Su 34's.
     
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  8. uftaipan

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    Nah, nah, nah, man. Big Russian counteroffensive coming that’s going to sweep all of the Nazis out of Little Russia, like, any day now.
     
  9. Gatorhead

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    Operation Bagration commrade!
     
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    Su 34’s destroyed …

    upload_2023-12-25_19-42-12.jpeg
     
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  12. uftaipan

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    Different time, different army, different supplier.
     
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  13. danmanne65

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    The Russia supporters I never get. Giving Ukraine weapons does not only empty our warehouses and hire American workers but degrading Russias militar for tens of billions is cheaper than still buying more weapons to oppose them.
     
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    It’s easy to fight your enemies with other country’s people.
     
  15. Gatorhead

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    Just hoping other NATO countries take
    up the slack until the US passes an aid package.

    Militarily they had some small offensive success against Russia after Bahkmut, and it appears they are capable of inflicting disproportionate pain on Russian offensive operations.

    This conflict has become very difficult for both sides. Perhaps those more knowledgeable could advise if F16s and US Abrams will advance the Ukranian field operations toward a more offensive or defensive posture going forward?
     
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  16. uftaipan

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    I know you asked a tactical question, but I’m giving a strategic answer anyway: it depends on what kinds operations will maximize Russian casualties. Much as we might wish otherwise, Ukraine probably can’t win the war by physically ejecting the Russians. They have to grind them in a way that accelerates the impatience of the Russian people, the military, and the oligarchs who keep Putin in power. Both Abrams and Vipers will be force multipliers for Ukraine on offense or defense, but the key is Ukraine can never afford to get carried away and throw the dice for a decisive offensive. They have to be disciplined and only go for modest gains that force Russia to deploy reserves that Ukraine can chew up with artillery. It’s a slow strategy and it isn’t sexy, but unless Russia crosses a line that brings in our airpower, that’s the best available option for Ukraine. The good news is, Russia’s options are even more limited. They can’t win the war in the air, and they can’t advance. Their only strategy is information warfare, trying to make this disastrous war seem like it’s going better than it is and hope they can convince Ukraine to stop fighting before their domestic turmoil reaches a flashpoint. What gives first is anyone’s guess. For our part, I sure hope the moderates in both parties reach a compromise that satisfies enough members soon.
     
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  17. tampagtr

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    Another Black Sea Fleet casualty. A landing ship purportedly full of Shahed drones. Big explosion.

     
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    tracking and destroying those drones in the warehouses or on the ships is the best way to neutralize them. glad to see this report
     
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  19. chemgator

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    Russia is finally wealthy enough to reward its crippled soldiers. Even though the soldier was only expecting the equivalent of $32,000, Russia gave him something of much greater value: two buckets of carrots and onions. Putin really does care about his troops! A lesser leader would have just given the soldier the $32,000, and not given him any vegetables. Only a great leader would give carrots AND onions! And you people thought Putin didn't care!

    According to the article, relatives of soldiers killed in battle are still informed by throwing a brick with an attached message from the War Department through a window. No vegetables are sent, as the deceased does not require them.

    Instead of $32,000, crippled Russian soldier given two buckets of carrots, onions — photo (yahoo.com)

     
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  20. slayerxing

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    Ukraine Invasion Day 671: F-16s are go!

    Daily update. Some interesting notes in the opinion at the end about why a Ukrainian victory is so important to western interests that includes maps to show people visually how a fully occupied Ukraine would be a disaster for nato.
     
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