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DL coaching search...Florida Planning to Hire Tulane's Gerald Chatman

Discussion in 'RayGator's Swamp Gas' started by Gatorrick22, Nov 29, 2023.

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  1. tegator80

    tegator80 GC Hall of Fame

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    OR...

    The rankings are a bunch of bunk, much like fantasy football, and to presume a ranking is akin to real performance is the exercise of fools.


    Or fans.
     
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  2. tegator80

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    I believe the dance is:

    1) let a coach go because it did not work out
    2) let the totality of major college football go all ape-crap about what is missing
    3) think about what you want in a coach (with the new wisdom)
    4) think about it some more
    5) let the ape-crap folks continue to go all ape-crap
    6) decide on a candidate and find out their interest
    7) if they are not interested, then go back to 2) and repeat the exercise
    8) when a candidate is interested, hire them (regardless of pedigree)
    9) announce the hire with conviction
    10) let the ape-crap folks act as ape-crappy as they are designed
    11) make provisions for the new coach
    12) pray like H__L that your instincts are correct
     
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  3. antny1

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    Per Shane, Napier purposely kept this secret and didn't tell his players or other coaches muahahaaaaaaaa

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  4. gtr2x

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    Ha ha, yea that's what I get for posting from my phone. Didn't see his son.

    Make it 4 cute kids. Props to his wife, 4 kids and as a coach's wife moving all the time is quite a job.
     
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  5. WC53

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    There is a reason folks don’t like certain pods. Too much time on their hands
     
  6. gatorchamps0607

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    Billy is still a better recruiter than Dan Mullen and it's not even close. Ive been on record already that I don't think Billy is the one but Dan didn't have anywhere near the caliber of player Billy has been able to get to look at and commit to Florida and its not really close. One thing, I'd bet NIL simply ruined just about every advantage Billy had/has recruiting wise. This is not his game and thats fine, it just means we cant have him here as we need someone who can own it and thrive in that with money to back it up. Dan was a wet blanket and didn't want to recruit. Billy's problem is a lot of the guys that actually committed have gone one way or another which again, wouldn't have been the case without NIL.
     
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  7. gatorich

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    Some of these folks just don’t understand that all the recruitment process hoopla was put in place to make money off of football crazy fans. You pay for premium recruiting sites, hang on every 18 year old’s comments and moves and believe every little thing that is posted on social media. There was a day when it wasn’t that way and stars didn’t matter. But crazed fans rule this time of year. Oh well
     
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  8. Mikog8tor

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    dunno those 5 star kids working out ok for GA and Bama. Sure some don't work out but I'd rather have a roster full of 5stars than 3stars.
     
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  9. ocalaman

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    No matter how people want to downplay the importance of recruiting rankings, the teams who are consistently in the Top 5 (Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, etc.) are the teams that win conference championships and make the CFP. We haven't had a Top 5 class in almost a decade and the last Top 10 classes were 2019 & 2020 when we finished 9th. 16th this year, 13th last year, 18th in Napier first class and 12th in Mullen's last class. And our portal classes haven't been great either. 38th so far this year, 16th last year, 20th the year before, 9th in Mullen's last year. We're not getting the players the top SEC teams are and that's why we have losing records the last 3 years. Not rocket science.
     
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  10. theycallmecoach

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    Ratings systems are bunk to some degree. Recruiting, even for the best coaching staff is somewhat hit or miss. You have to recruit someone based upon a best guess of how they will develop.

    That is why there are all kinds of players who "come out of nowhere" and walk on and become stars. Kerwin Bell and Shane Mathews are great examples.

    So you do the best you can and recruit players that fit you system and work like hell to develop them.

    Look at how many players drafted high miss in the NFL. The players are older then and it is still hard to guess who will make it big.

    So coaches have to be judged by what they put on the field over a period of time. That is why they get about 5 years. And some of them fail in one job and succeed in another stop.
     
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  11. theycallmecoach

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    The portal is where we are not getting the kids but we have not been emphasizing the portal. I think that may change but people have to pony up the money like they are doing at other places.

    As much as it hurts me to say it we are just getting blown away by the portal. That is what has helped Lame Kitten. He has the morals of an alley cat and has been buying players.

    It has made his program decent but not great.

    So, the portal has to be emphasized more because the athletes are older and it is a little easier to see who has the ability to succeed.

    The answer is to pick out who you think will develop and pay them what they want, I guess.

    Someone needs to have deep pockets if we want to win.
     
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  12. HisDoc

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    We should have a LOT of money left that was earmarked for the 8 decommits in the last month. That makes me more optimistic we might land a stud for hire or two.

    Go get a new WR1 out of CStat...ES, come on down. And bring big boy Nolan with you!
     
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  13. theycallmecoach

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    Recruiting is very important. There is no way to get around it. And certain players are being paid big money to go to certain schools who win big.

    This is serious business.

    All of this takes time and effort unless you are a crook like Lame Kitten.
     
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  14. theycallmecoach

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    Maybe waiting until after signing day to not affect Tulane's recruiting.

    That is the honorable thing to do.
     
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  15. theycallmecoach

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    We have been at ground zero since Mullen left. AR was and is a mercenary who jumped ship as soon as he could.

    He got injured screwing around so much that he could not really be used. He was minimally into the team his one year under Billy but left as soon as he got reports that he would be drafted high.

    That is his right but it sure does not show any loyalty.

    His rankings were based all on the standard NFL hocus pocus evaluation. Which are wrong so often that there are laughable.

    In the meantime, the successful NFL quarterbacks seem to come from the later rounds.

    Because it takes moxie and intelligence to play QB in the NFL.

    Every year we get a few QBs who become starters who were drafted in the later rounds or not even drafted at all.

    Draft ratings and high school ratings have about the same amount of success. Not much. There are always players who come out of nowhere to become successful.

    Although overall, the teams that get the best players tend to win. So ratings can predict team success much more than individual success.

    It is a matter of quantity over quality, it seems to some degree.

    You keep getting enough good players some of them become successful and the team wins.

    UGA does not have a lot of great players but they sure have a ton of good to very good players.
     
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  16. theycallmecoach

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    I don't think Napier is making excuses.

    I think that he is explaining what he is doing and taking responsibility for the losses.

    And if Mullen had just walked out the door and left a smooth transition we might not be having that problem.

    But the coaches that Mullen fired left a dumpster fire. I think that they knew they were not returning long before that.

    Mullen should have fired them in the summer before his fourth year and everything would have probably been all right. (If he got better replacements). But he did not want to be the bad guy until it was too late.

    That was what Billy walked into.

    I love Mullen's ability to scheme offensively but he probably has too kind of a heart to be a head coach when things go wrong. He does not like that firing part. Indeed, most of the coaches who left Mullen's program at Miss. State and UF left on their own to take better jobs.

    When he finally go around to firing the people who needed firing it was too late.

    And that is why Billy got the big contract - so that he would have the time to clean up the mess.

    Too many people have tunnel vision when their team is not winning and want the coach gone immediately but all that does is leave the athletic departments in debt.

    I think the AD (SS) will move when Billy has had enough time if he feels that he needs to.

    But that is not my call.

    Except we are not firing a coach who we would owe $32 million to ($16 million immediately).

    I do not think anyone is that crazy.
     
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  17. Wanne15

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    They look obvious .
     
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  18. orangeblue_coop

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    “He was minimally into the team”

    We’re still pushing this narrative about AR?
     
  19. gator_annarbor

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    I think Napier has shown ge could fire coaches and his friend Hocke. Gives me hope.
     
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  20. tegator80

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    So, you believe that an "expert's" opinion (and likely groupthink) has more value than your coach's evaluation. Okay then.

    I also guess us signing those 3* "bums" like Gregory Smith and Jaden Baugh has you all crapped up. I'll bet that Saban is laughing at us by taking the bait and the "bidding war" for Baugh. You know, since we ARE the laughing stock of the entire college football landscape. BUT, at least we did not have to live the misery of signing Izaiah Williams, thank GOD!


    Um, how IS your fantasy football "team" doing?
     
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