Thinking about what should count as moral is interesting. I wasn’t thinking of things like poverty rates as inherently moral. Presumably our hunter gatherer ancestors had poverty rates of 100% based on today’s definition. I agree that incarceration rates aren’t useful either, as those are confounded by the current norms for incarceration. I do think things like minority rights and environmental protections are proper moral measures, but as they are related to government, the critics of modern morality may not be thinking of them. Certainly, the way that regular people envision and treat minorities should count though. Charity should count also, but it also has a complex relationship with government policy. I believe that the trend that liberals give less to charity is wrapped up in their views that taxes and centralized systemic efforts are best suited help those in need. And thinking about problems like transgenderism or gay marriage is dependent upon our moral foundations. For me, the state recognition of gay marriage is only positive, but my moral foundations don’t really include the religious sanctity of marriage. This isn’t true for everyone though.
To be fair children used to work machines for families and girls basically property to be traded… I feel like those are shifting foundations for the better. That would be considered immoral today.
Well, only if one assumes the very thing we are seeking to find. It’s like trying to figure out if a magic 8 ball really works by asking the magic 8 ball.
I doubt we disagree on most things. Even if you think it’s wrong for the state to now recognize gay marriage, you probably agree it’s good that racism has declined.
Its funny people believe this when this is still happening: The nation’s largest credit union rejected more than half its Black conventional mortgage applicants | CNN Business Bank to pay $31M for avoiding mortgages to minorities, largest such settlement in U.S. history
Here we are having a fairly productive conversation and you put a turd like this on the buffet. Where in this country were girls traded like property in any systemic manner, or in any marginal amount? As for children working machines I cannot classify that as immoral. In the early industrial days there were very few fortunate enough to have the means to pursue what little higher education was available. In most cases where the family business was agriculture, it was often considered a step forward. Henry Ford left home as a teenager to work in a machine shop because that’s what interested him, not farming. Here are some of his thoughts on education. It’s a good read: Henry Ford and the Actual Value of Education
What crawled up your ass? Nothing I said was controversial. Early 1900’s saw the beginnings of child labor laws. Prior to that and even up into the 30’s working kids wasn’t uncommon. The fact you don’t find that immoral is the controversial part.
It wasn’t controversial, it was ignorant. If it’s the best option available, then it’s not immoral. What would you have rather had kids do where education wasn’t available?
I'm sure all you who think America is so bad do not wear any of the clothes produced from outside this country by children!!
Let’s just agree to disagree without name calling. You win. Progress on child labor was not good hopefully they rescind it.
You guys think people bringing up facts like I posted is "race baiting," so I'm sure its always booming in your mind
