Coronavirus in the United States - news and thoughts

By 'prime' I'm meaning 20's through '50's. Point being, they're not exactly octogenarian, or even septuagenarians --which would be the age when obesity starts to take its toll in terms of death (and even then, we'd be talking morbidly obese, not clinically, which is defined as 30% BMI, if I recall--which isnt that noticeable). B4 that, and it's mostly T2 diabetes, chronic hypertension, and sundry other conditions that people regularly *LIVE* with, for decades on end.

158,000 ppl died here.

 

Barry and his dude.

 

Viruses …

 

So fill us in, let’s understand how your mind works here. Which conspiracy is proven by this random photo?

• The one that Obama was born in Kenya?
• That Obama was a secret Muslim?
• That Michelle is a dude?

Do we even know who this person is in the photo or any of the context?

 

Age 21-55 in this study.

Obesity and early mortality in the United States - Greenberg - 2013 - Obesity - Wiley Online Library

For healthy nonsmokers young- and middle-aged adults who constitute about one-third of American adults, being obese is likely to hasten mortality by 9.44 years.

 

But don't you understand?!? He posted a picture. It is proved. Game over man!

 

Why do you so easily believe lies?

Fact Check: Altered Photo Shows Michelle Obama Standing Near Christmas Tree (yahoo.com)

 

What’s the difference?
Correlation describes an association between types of variables: when one variable changes, so does the other. A correlation is a statistical indicator of the relationship between variables. These variables change together: they covary. But this covariation isn’t necessarily due to a direct or indirect causal link.

Causation means that changes in one variable brings about changes in the other; there is a cause-and-effect relationship between variables. The two variables are correlated with each other and there is also a causal link between them.

A correlation doesn’t imply causation, but causation always implies correlation.

 

This is going to get exponentially worse in the coming years with the AI deep fakes.

 

Look, you need to step outside that showglobe and understand photoshops can present alternative realities. Potential realities that will shake your misguided perceptions of what you naively think of as “actual reality” to the core. Ok?

 

People guffawing at ‘conspiracy theorists’ are up to date on their vaccines.

Change my mind.

 

Well wouldn’t you know it…another long time conspiracy theory proven true.

 

How do you explain the 483,000 excess deaths in 2019?

American 'excess deaths': Nearly 85% jump in 3 years | Fortune

When I say obesity, I mean primarily resulting heart attacks if we are talking Middle Ages.

 

I think this study is muddling the concept of “excess deaths” a bit, at least as to how that term was used during the pandemic. Here, it’s attempting to explain why U.S. numbers have diverged from Europe, and yes over the longer term that has to do with obesity, higher murder rates, more drug overdoses, homelessnes lack of health care, etc. All those are factors compared to 1st world “peer nations” which don’t see these societal failings as prevalent as they are here in the U.S.

But when they referred to “excess deaths” during COVID, all those issues would already be baked into the cake when projecting the “expected” deaths in the U.S. All that heart disease and homicide would already be “expected” from year to year. You can see the U.S. was lagging behind on that life expectancy chart for a number of years pre-covid (with the gap widening) but the big blip down was COVID. Why has the U.S. life expectancy not bounced back with the rest of the so-called 1st world? Maybe tied into that report on record homelessness. People falling through the cracks despite the overall economic recovery, and you can say there are parts of this country more resembling the 2nd or 3rd world.

 

How do I explain it?

I specifically said IDK the culprit.

(assuming your question was rhetorical, as it sounds).

All I said--and maintain--is that such an acute and sharp uptick in such a short period effectively rules out "obesity ", that takes decades to manifest death rates--especially when you're talking heart disease, secondary to obesity.

Again, fat ppl don't just go n keel over and die for being fat. It's a decades long deterioration of health across many fronts.

 

The divergence from Europe didn’t “just happen”, if we look at that chart you can see the divergence in life expectancy going back to the 1980’s where the slope of the U.S. life expectancy line flattened compared to the others. By 2019 the U.S. had 483,000 “excess deaths” due to these societal issues. In 2021 the total of excess deaths was 892,000 but as I explained above, that 892,000 when compared to Europe already includes those baked in the cake U.S. issues of homicides, obesity, and drug overdose.

Considering the CDC estimated 2021 covid deaths at 460,000 for 2021, that isn’t that far off (the rough “excess death” math adjusted for those U.S. centric social issues would be 892k- 483k = ~409k attributable from COVID). 460k vs. 409k. I expect when the 2023 excess deaths come out, we will probably again have 400-500k “excess deaths” compared to European rates, but compared to our own numbers we will be back toward our own long term trend (technically I think there are still a few covid deaths, just not as substantial as before).

 

There were no excess deaths in 2019. Excess deaths exploded in 2020, were still higher in 2021 and are just now gradually receding.

 

Confounding the notion that Americans die sooner than their peer counterparts due to obesity, Americans die sooner at all shapes and sizes, all ages, all demographics and all income strata.

 

Finally, all excess mortality, from 2020 on, can easily be attributed to the *effects* of panic and despair, no need for a pathogen.

Ex: +213,000 more Americans died at home in 2020 than in 2019. Of that number, the CDc acknowledged than only a small fraction was due to the mythical Covid.

Basically, Americans were so terrorized that multitudes died at home, of treatable ailments, because they feared catching Covid in hospitals.

People were literally more afraid of dying of Covid than dying.