War in Ukraine

Hard to say, but certainly over time it would even if we had protected secrets. And of course Oppenheimer (the movie and the man) argued that too much operational security would have meant that we certainly would not have won the race (although the Germans much farther behind than we realized), and may not have ultimately succeeded. Some openness, can create vulnerability, but it is usually the only way to succeed at all.

 

Russia is sending drones to Ukraine via Romania, causing European jet fighters to scramble. One drone exploded in Romania.

Russian drone attack on Ukraine violates NATO airspace over Romania, prompting German fighter jet response

 

Somebody gets it. Leaving Ukraine hung out to dry would be devastating to the U.S. It would open the door for China to invade Taiwan, the U.S. military would be stretched too thin, and defense spending would skyrocket, leading to even higher levels of inflation. Basically, if Putin wins, the U.S. loses.

If Russia wins in Ukraine, the US may be stretched so thin it would leave the door wide open for China, war analysts warn

We could not possibly have more mentally-deficient representation in Congress right now. We were on a pretty good path to crippling Russia, and now our ignorant Congressmen have put Russia on a pretty good path to crippling the U.S. There is a reason that Putin is celebrating our Congressional cowardice. Hang 'em high! Treason charges for the lot of 'em. Congress' penny pinching may have burned the house down.

 

It is not in our interest for the russian empire to expand. The idiots in the gop have either forgotten that, don't care, or worse yet support it. Smdh

 

What Russian "empire"???

Good Lord...

And yeah, they're real idiots who don't want us to BORROW more and more money to pay for Ukrainian crony corruption, while our own people do without out or less, and while we continue to neglect the integrity of our own southern border, as it's being breached to the tune of the population of Ohio under Biden's clock.

Btw, why are NYC and Chicago whining about immigration? Just some small overflow from TX n FLA sharing some of the fun, bringing those 2 cities to cry uncle.

 

One vote for russia. Thanks

 

A vote for US =/= a vote for Russia.

But duly noted....you vote
Ukraine > US

 

So dedicating resources to defend territory EAST OF NATO--is going give us more resources to defend Taiwan?!?!?

Sure...

Reminder: NATO remains covered under MAD. That has not changed. An attack on any member of NATO remains an attack on us. ie--nuclear Armageddon.

We're going east of NATO--in fact, actively seeking to bring NATO to Russia's door step--bc
... well, I'll just leave that stink bomb for you to creatively make up more reasons for scratching your hawkish desires, and feeding your fantasies about Russian boogeyman, and empires of yesteryear..

 

Not at all. Helping Ukraine defend itself against Russian aggression is in the interest of the US. Allowing Russia to conquer Ukraine is not in the interest of the US.

 

A fair and reasonable take.

Calling ppl idiots for seeking to prioritize our domestic interests over Ukraine's, with money we have to borrow and pay back with our tax dollars, is not ( as the position is at least as reasonable as yours).

 

We have plenty of money for wars .... healthcare, infrastructure and anything that benefits everyday Americans directly, those are the only things you have to field questions like "how are you gonna pay for it."

 

“Russian Empire”

 

Congrats to US for turning Russia into a military juggernaut, US soon to slip to #3 …

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/rankings/strong-military

 

An empire starts with one conquest. What do you think is going on in Ukraine right now? And, this is not Putin's first invasion of a neighboring country. This is his second invasion of Ukraine, and he already invaded Georgia and created a puppet government in a section that Russia kept. Belarus is already a puppet government, with the exception that its soldiers refuse to fight and die for Russia.

Juveniles will talk about millions going to political corruption in Ukraine, while ignoring the billions going in the form of military weapons and ammunition that's not only keeping brave and heroic Ukrainian soldiers on the battlefield, it's giving them a chance to win. It's called "missing the big picture." For an average person, the phrase would be "Can't see the forest for the trees." For a mental midget, the phrase would be "Can't see the forest for the blade of grass."

Not supporting Ukraine right now is the equivalent of not supporting the U.S. military. If Russia wins this war, guess who will be "stretched thin" in the next decade? As in, having more responsibilities in more places than they can realistically handle? When some disputes turn into active military conflicts, which Americans will likely be first to die? Soldiers.

Not supporting Ukraine right now is the equivalent of not giving a damn how much we increase our federal debt in the future. For a simple-minded person, everything happens in the here and now. There are no future consequences for actions that happen today. The reality is that if Russia wins this war, the U.S. will get into an arms race with both Russia and China. Arms races are very expensive (think trillions of dollars). Get ready for 10+% inflation, because it's coming. You asked for it by supporting Russia in its first major conquest. You saved millions, and then wasted trillions of dollars--nice move. (You do understand the difference between the words "millions", "billions", and "trillions", don't you?)

Natural resources? Fresh water, oil drilling, fish, wildlife protection? Global warming? Immigration? Forget about it. There will be no money left over (after your arms race is paid for) to solve any other problems. What will your grandkids think of you and your heroes after they realize all the damage you did to America?

A Ukrainian defeat is a defeat for America and a defeat for Europe, just as surely as a defeat of Poland was a defeat for the U.S. and Europe in 1939. That's why Putin has big smiles when he thinks of the cowardice and treason of American lawmakers and the mentally-deficient people who support them.

 

so simple even a caveman should be able to understand

 

Putin humiliated at his own press conference. In a rare display of openness which will likely never happen again, citizens were allowed to text in questions that flashed on the big screen as Putin, or his body double, held a PC.

Why does your reality differ from ours

when can we move to the russia we see on TV

which flights will take us to the country you tell us about

if Crimea is part of Russia, why does my phone go to roaming when I cross the bridge

why are we sending gas to china when we can't get gas in Russia

Russians Bombard Putin with Awkward Questions in Annual Q&A (newsweek.com)

Why Putin’s awkward Q&A may not be all it seemed (yahoo.com)

“I’d like to know, when will our president pay attention to his own country? We’ve got no education, no healthcare. The abyss lies ahead...” it continued in clever language which actually begs Putin for help and predicts catastrophe if he doesn’t step

"When will the real Russia be the same as the one on TV?"

 

Since when do we have plenty of money for wars? We had to spend $3 trillion on our last major war (Iraq). Where are we going to come up with that? And with superpower conflicts, when you have two opposing superpowers and you have a conflict with one, you are probably going to have a conflict with the other. Did you think it was a coincidence that the U.S. wound up fighting Germany and Japan at the same time?

Worse than wars is the spending on an arms race. You have to predict what weapons you will need, and spend a fortune for years or decades to try to develop the technology and get it right. With America, you have to win the war quickly, and that takes a lot more money then just being able to win the war. There are too many simple-minded and short-sighted people that get tired of fighting a war within a couple years and are ready to bail out of the war if they can't hear any artillery or see any smoke in their own neighborhood. Sometimes they hear rumors of corruption, and they want to bail. Yes sir, we are going to enjoy spending trillions of dollars on the arms race. We'll have 12% mortgages again! Who wouldn't want that? Hooray!

 

Although I disagree with the premise, the argument that we should become focused on our shores as opposed to the world, is a rational discussion, and I don’t see where people calling such proponents “idiots.” The “idiot” labels are reserved for the people digesting and parroting the substack, Russian-placed, contrived, excuse-ridden, finger-pointing nonsense.

I disagree with the argument because the reality of the world today is that the world today is a much smaller, far more integrated place. The isolationist movement failed in the 20th Century, and I think it is even more short-sighted in the 21st Century.

The intelligence, at least as reported by responsible and credible sources, revealed that Russia intended to take Ukraine and then expand to other former Soviet blocs. And if you don’t believe the US intelligence, remember that formerly fiercely independent Finland and Sweden felt so threatened by Russians provocations that they quickly joined NATO, something they were loath to do for a half century. Why would they do that of the threat was “fake?”

It is not in our interests to allow a dictatorial regime to seize democratic and friendly governments in Europe. I don’t think we need a treatise to explain why that is important to us. Isolationism has never worked before, and there is no basis to believe it will work now.

 

$3 trillion on a war we ended up losing ?

At least Ukraine points to saving money on the next war we’re losing.

 

Although there isn't a Russian empire now Putin is doing his best to right what he sees as an historic wrong and his first step in achieving the goal of reconstituting the Russian/Soviet Empire as it had been for centuries is to reincorporate Ukraine as an integral part of Russia as it had been for centuries rather than as an independent country.

In case you missed it when I posted this three days ago:

Ukraine was one of 15 Soviet republics and Putin used a lengthy article published on the Kremlin website this year to set out why he believed Russia's southern neighbour and its people were an integral part of Russian history and culture. ​