Texas towns make it illegal to use roads to travel out of state for an abortion.

Let’s not use less than 3% of cases to justify the remaining 97%.

 

Deflection. Doesn't answer the question. If a woman is raped and becomes pregnant because of it, and has zero desire to ever have children, is she just another walking womb that loses part of her autonomy to the fetus, regardless of her will? If she gets to retain her autonomy, why should the fetus be punished? It's no less innocent than other fetuses.

This isn't a pointless thought exercise. This is real life where sadly, women are raped and pregnancy can occur as a result. I know why you don't want to answer the question, because there's no good answer.

 

So if exemptions for killing the baby in case of rape are granted, along with exemptions for the exceedingly rare cases of threat to the other … you’d oppose baby-killing in all other cases ?

 

It doesn't matter what I feel or want. It's not my decision. My personal preference is to side with life. But I understand that life isn't black and white. Nor do I have the power, nor should I have the power, to decide what others do with their own lives. And the decisions I would make isn't necessarily what others should do, nor right for them.

The decision to carry to term should rest with the mother, anyone she wants to include in the decision, and in the case of complications, medical professionals. And while I don't like the fact that there are those who would terminate a pregnancy for convenience reasons only, it's not my decision. And I don't know, care to know, nor should have a right to know the intimate details of a woman's life and the reason(s) behind her decision. I don't know if a pregnant woman has been raped just by looking at her, nor is it any of my business.

Then there's the pragmatic side. When has a law actually stopped an illegal activity? Did Prohibition stop alcohol from flowing? Has our drug laws stopped illicit drugs, and have our immigration laws stopped undocumented people entering? No, no, and no. When there is a demand for something, a law against it only creates a black market for supply. And in the case of abortion, the black market is a "back alley" where abortion numbers remain constant, but what does change is more women with complications leading to more maternal deaths and women who no longer can get pregnant. Results that are far from optimal.

 

No, what's deflection is you shifting to under 3% of cases to justify the other 97%.

 

Just as nonsensical as "the decision to murder an infant should rest with the infant's mother."

 

Have gun laws stopped gun crime?

 

Your right to waive your fist around aimlessly ends when it begins punching others in the face.

 

Just stop. No one is murdering infants at abortion clinics. Just another anti-choice lie of the highest magnitude to dupe people into siding with their position.

 

No, but he's applying logic to fetuses that doesn't apply anywhere else, including infants.

That's the point. Did I break it down slowly enough for you?

 

Have those women and children done anything wrong or are they simply "collateral damage" in your twisted "pro-life" eyes?

 

They haven't necessarily done anything wrong, but their deaths are on Hamas for hiding behind them, not on Israel for protecting themselves from an existential threat.

 

But about the vast majority of abortions which don’t involve rape or health of mother ?

 

“Nor do I have the power, nor should I have the power, to decide what others do with their own lives.”

If only this widespread conviction had transferred to 2020 …

 

Tell that to the dead innocent non-combatants...they'll feel way better.

 

It's not the speed, it's the lack of thought.

 

What do you propose smart ass?

 

No, I think you're just having a hard time comprehending what I'm saying. It's okay. Can't control stupid.

 

The same people calling for a ceasefire in Gaza are the people that would've called to broker a peace deal with the Nazis.

 

So the 3% of women who were raped don't matter? What should they do? Be allowed to regain some autonomy of their lives? Or, be treated as walking wombs and have no choice in the matter?

And one area where gun laws have so far been proven to work is Australia. One mass shooting using an AR-15 style weapon, and the entire country banned the weapon. A gun law in Chicago is going to be useless if in less than 2 hours in any direction, a person can legally get a hold of any gun he or she wants. Banning future sales of AR-15 weapons but not addressing all the ones currently out in the public would be similarly futile. It would only create a black market for the existing guns out there.

The answer isn't to try and cut off supply. It's to try and lower demand. How many abortions would there be if every woman who got pregnant wanted to be pregnant, and there were never any pregnancy complications? None. And while we'll never live in that world, what can we do to get closer to this ideal situation? Making laws against abortion? Nope. Doesn't work. Only drives women to "back alleys". What does work is comprehensive sex education which help people make better choices.

Know what else doesn't work? Slut shaming women and treating them like walking wombs without allowing themselves to make their own life decisions. Would you knowingly go up to a woman who was raped and tell her she has no choice but to carry to term? How would you feel if you were said woman? It may be only 3%, but does it really matter to the woman who was raped that she only represents a small percentage of pregnancies?