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"Special Council Jack Smith Asks the Supremse Court To Decide Trump Immunity..."

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by Gatorrick22, Dec 12, 2023.

  1. Gatorrick22

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    I've never seen the SCOTUS move so fast to take up a case. I know it's not unprecedented, but I wonder if there is more going on behind the scenes. This article will tell you their point of view, and I think it's worth the read.

    In my humble opinion this case if about the first Amendment and the right to call out what an American citizen (President Trump, at the time) feels is an injustice in his re-election campaign, and his right to tell the world about that injustice... It's about free speech... and they know it.


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    After years of assembling datapoints around the potential for the Supreme Court to be compromised, it was the discovery of Mary McCord’s husband Sheldon Snook deep in the office of Chief Justice John Roberts that finally sealed the deal for me personally. Yes, the Supreme Court is compromised.


    Quick Context. Mary McCord was the architect of all Trump targeting efforts. The FISA on Carter Page, the weaponization of the DOJ-NSD, the installation of Michael Atkinson as Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG), the companion to Sally Yates in the Flynn targeting, lead staff for the Schiff/Nadler impeachment effort, later appointment by FISA Presiding Judge Boasberg to be amicus to the FISC, in combination with Chief Justice John Roberts holding authority over the FISC, and the discovery that Sheldon Snook, McCord’s husband works in Robert’s office as “special assistant to Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr.’s counselor. The counselor’s office advises the chief justice not only on the management and budget of the Supreme Court but also on his interactions with the executive and legislative branches, along with numerous other public roles in which Roberts serves.” (link)




    Special Counsel Jack Smith Asks Supreme Court to Decide Trump Immunity - Highest Court Immediately Drops All Business to Comply With Special Counsel Request - The Last Refuge
     
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  2. G8tas

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    Trump's defense isn't about the 1st amendment. He's claiming he had immunity and can't be charged in a federal case. What are your thoughts on whether he had/has immunity?
     
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  3. Gatorrick22

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    Immunity of free speech... to call into question the 2020 election. He has the right to speak out about it.

    And it's not just his free speech and first amendment right that on trial here.

    Do you see the bigger picture in this court case?
     
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    Just a clarification, the specific issue in the case that the Supreme court will be reviewing doesn't concern Trump's right to free speech under the First Amendment it's whether he is entitled to absolute immunity for acts committed while he was in office. Whether the gag order issued by Judge Chutkan or the modified version approved by the DC Circuit Court of Appeals violates the Orange One's right of free speech is a completely separate issue and will most likely be reviewed by the Supreme Court at a later time keeping in mind Trump's attorneys have yet to file a motion for a writ of certiorari.
    Trump’s Gag Order Was Upheld. That Gives the Supreme Court a Huge Opportunity.
     
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  5. l_boy

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    Trumps lawyers are part of the deep state and in on the conspiracy.
     
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  6. mikemcd810

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    I scanned the "article" and it seems the Supreme Court is compromised acoording to the author. Just more BS to explain away what will likely be another Trump loss in the courts. Anything to avoid coming to terms that Trump broke the law.
     
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  7. gatorchamps960608

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    Let me tell you about the nuts who believe that both exonerating and indicting Hunter Biden are both tools to help Joe Biden.
     
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  8. GatorRade

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    Interestingly, it seems not even the Trump team is wanting their appeal to be addressed.

    “Crooked Joe Biden’s henchman, Deranged Jack Smith is so obsessed with interfering in the 2024 Presidential Election with the goal of preventing President Trump from retaking the Oval Office, as the President is poised to do, that Smith is willing to try for a Hail Mary by racing to the Supreme Court and attempting to bypass the appellate process,” a spokesperson for Trump’s campaign said in a statement Monday afternoon.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...cizes-special-counsel-for-supreme-court-move/
     
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  9. mikemcd810

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    The "Hail Mary" is delaying all the trials until after election, have Trump win the election, and then pardon himself for any crimes. They know they have a big challenge in getting not guilty verdicts and don't want to actually try these in court (despite their bluster about how innocent Trump is).
     
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  10. sierragator

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    One aspect of this is the idea of finally gaining some clarity from the highest court regarding whether a potus can be prosecuted for anything or if they truly are above the law. The latter would be a horrible precedent, but maga maga maga and go team.
     
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  11. GatorJMDZ

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    Mary is a proper name and the words are the first two words of a prayer.
     
  12. Emmitto

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    Well, they need a ruling that says TRUMP can't be prosecuted for anything ever by virtue of being POTUS, but all other POTUS' can be prosecuted for any old thing at all times including right now. And also that it is mandatory that Biden and Obama are put in prison, especially since Trump can no longer discern that those two are not in fact one person. Can't blame the Trump team for being frustrated at a shortened path to that assessment.

    But never say never. Prolly gonna need to get Clarence on this one, he is officially the one willing to say anything, like Ron Burgundy reading the teleprompter. Roberts is still trying to act like there is honor involved. Those other four are so rubber stamp it is hard to remember they exist until they sign off on the Thomas stuff.
     
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  13. ursidman

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    Breaking: Supreme Court to hear Trump immunity case in April. (More delay,delay,delay)
    Supreme Court to decide Trump’s immunity claim in election interference case


    WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Wednesday agreed to decide whether former President Donald Trump can claim presidential immunity over criminal election interference charges, adding a new hurdle to a trial taking place.

    The court in a brief order said it would hear arguments and issue a ruling on the immunity claim. In the meantime, the case is on hold, meaning no trial can take place.
     
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  14. ursidman

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    @Gatorrick22, don’t you want the voters to know whether trump is guilty or innocent before the election
     
  15. Gatorrick22

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    Guilty of what? Please define that law that he supposedly broke.
     
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  16. ursidman

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    Forget trump. Do you believe, as does trump, that the President, any President, should have complete immunity?
     
  17. G8trGr8t

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    this is his goal and they are playing right into it. I wish I could say I was surprised but I'm not. I am surprised that they took this long to decide and then agreed to hear it as most observers indicated that the delay indicated that they were not going to take it and was just waiting on a dissenting opinion to be authored.

    what really bothers me about this is CT and his wife who supported the insurrection and now he is very unlikely to recuse himself so we know what his vote is before arguments are ever heard. that is f'd up..
     
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  18. G8trGr8t

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    I would refer you to the cases filed in state and federal courts for the details, please don't be so obtuse.
     
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  19. gatorjo

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    Clearly the USSC is complicit in trying to help Trump delay so as to not be held accountable for his alleged (obvious) crimes.
     
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  20. ursidman

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    I sense his hand in this OR the court as a whole wants to settle the issue of Presidential immunity once and for all and officially by direct examination of it.

    Justice delayed is justice denied