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Texas towns make it illegal to use roads to travel out of state for an abortion.

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ursidman, Sep 2, 2023.

  1. Gator715

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    I know babies were being murdered in Israel (and will continue to be murdered if Hamas isn't stopped) and I'm not traveling across the world to fight Hamas.

    You guys are in the camp that think AR-15s are sentient beings that murder innocent school children on their own volition, I hear a lot of whining about AR-15s, but I don't see a lot of action.
     
  2. Gator715

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    Meh. It's bad policy on its own, but Republicans are generally correct on the abortion issue. Typically when people say that Republicans expect pregnant mothers to die as opposed to getting an abortion to save their life, they're lying to you.
     
  3. citygator

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    If babies were being murdered in your town on a schedule you think folks would just sit around? Good one. It’s all a rouse. No one believes that as evident from their actions.
     
  4. Gator715

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    No, they would call for and pass regulations prohibiting abortion, which is exactly what's happened in both Texas and Florida. o_O

    Not sure what else you want.
     
  5. duggers_dad

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    Why aren’t you suited up and in Avdeevka ?
     
  6. citygator

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    No. That’s what they would do if they wanted moral control over another’s medical decision. If babies were being murdered they’d show up in force and do anything necessary. 100%. You guys either don’t believe babies are being murdered or you are pathetic cowards letting babies die. I think it’s the first so don’t take offense at the second.
     
  7. citygator

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    I sure as hell would be if the Russian were here. Thanks for proving my point. I wouldn’t just be posting about it.
     
  8. Gator715

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    No they wouldn't. That's not how a free country works and that's not what you guys do with every major crisis. And that's not how humanity generally operates.

    On one hand, AR-15s kill children, on the other, all you guys do is whine about it.

    On one hand, Climate Change is the biggest threat we're facing, on the other, Alyssa Milano would rather own a Volkswagen than a Tesla because Elon Musk is a Nazi or something. :D
     
  9. VAg8r1

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    The way you framed the statement is more or less accurate. On the other hand it would be accurate to state that Republicans would allow an abortion to save the life of a pregnant woman only in the event that there is a high probability of that the woman would die if the pregnancy were allowed to continue. As the Texas Supreme Court recently indicated under that state's law and implicitly similar laws in other states the possibility of the death or the likelihood of a serious impact on the health of the mother even in the event that the fetus would not survive is insufficient to justify an abortion.
     
  10. citygator

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    Another proving my point. Tell me where an AR15 will be killing a kid today and an army of citizens will there. Some gun owners and some anti gun owners.

    I told you above where an abortion will be held. Crickets.
     
  11. duggers_dad

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    Seems like respond with violence, but only if convenient.
     
  12. Gator715

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    Really good point.

    As a general rule of thumb, if you're an attractive girl in your 20s, contrary to what the universities would have you believe, if we have victimhood hierarchies, you're near the most privileged end of that hierarchy... and I would say moreso than White men just in terms of opportunities and societal attention.

    That said, the scales tip somewhere in the 30s. Women have a more inconvenient biological clock in terms of having kids (men don't have to deal with that), and men typically value looks in relationships a lot more than women which makes life much harder for women (single women in particular) as they age.

    Life ain't fair. In the end, I think I got the easier deal in being a man. :D But a piece of me wonders what being able to get into any party I wanted in college without bribing or knowing someone would've been like.
     
  13. Gator715

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    "Being there" is doing something?

    How many gun violence protests have you attended?
     
  14. Gator715

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    That's certainly not the law in Florida. Texas appears to be an extreme example which ought to be noted.

    In Florida, you don't even need a reason for the first few weeks.
     
  15. Gator715

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    Something else worth noting is women inherently have value (as they should) and are inherently seen by society as having value.

    Men need to provide something in order to have value, whether it be strength, looks, intelligence, competence, money, or some combination of these things. Men are a lot more likely to fall into this pit of uselessness where they're not loved and they feel like there's no way of escaping. That's where you get your homelessness, your drug abuse, a lot of your violent crime, and your suicides.

    Which is why men need to be taught to be strong, competent, and to take care of themselves. Money (in a wealth sense) and intelligence are a little harder to control, but those are big bonuses.
     
  16. VAg8r1

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    The issue in the specific Texas case concerns a medical condition diagnosed around the 20th week of Kate Cox's pregnancy, it wasn't an elective abortion early in the pregnancy. I suspect a pregnant woman who had a similar condition diagnosed after six weeks would be in the same position under six week law recently enacted by the Florida State legislature and signed by DeSantis.
    The first court decision in the Kate Cox case.
    Judge says Texas woman may abort fetus with lethal abnormality
    Kate Cox, 31, at 20 weeks pregnant, has learned her fetus has a lethal abnormality that is almost always fatal at birth. When Travis County District Judge Maya Guerra Gamble handed down the temporary restraining order Thursday, Kate Cox, 31, of Dallas burst into tears. Cox and her husband desperately wanted to have this baby, but her doctors said continuing the nonviable pregnancy posed a risk to her health and future fertility, according to a historic lawsuit filed Tuesday.
    The Texas State Supreme Court decision. Apparently, the Supreme Court relied on the language in her doctor's initial diagnosis which didn't reference the possibility of death.
    Texas Supreme Court blocks order allowing abortion; woman who sought it leaves state
    The Texas Supreme Court has overturned a court order that would have allowed a Dallas woman to get an abortion. The ruling came down hours after Kate Cox’s lawyers announced she was leaving the state to terminate her non-viable pregnancy.
     
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  17. Gator715

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    But you said "Republicans," not "Texas Republicans."

    Also, this isn't legal advice, but I believe Florida residents can leave the state to get an abortion if it's beyond the 6 week requirement.

    My opinion on the 6 week requirement: Odd because you're not giving women much time to make a decision. A lot of people probably don't even know they're pregnant 6 weeks in. Morally good in the sense that convenience-based abortion is a terrible thing. Unpopular because people like having abortion as an option.

    15 weeks policy split the baby (no pun intended), and was likely the most popular middle ground option, but obviously not logically coherent as an end-game. The old pragmatist v. idealist argument.
     
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    Granted, there are people opposed to baby killing who end up killing abortion workers in an attempt to stop the abhorrent practice.

    Such incidents are vanishingly rare. But they always backfire as the killing outside the clinic gets more media than the killing taking place inside the clinic.
     
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    Absolutely disgusting. The woman was forced to risk her health traveling because staying was a bigger threat to her health. And the cherry on top of this grossness is the Texas Supreme NotCourt ruling that proves these "life-of-the-mother exceptions" are completely useless to women in red states.

    It's unlikely a Texas court has jurisdiction over the doctor.
     
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