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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. Ian

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    Dude they're using old tanks from the 70s, the T-72 tank and not modernized ones either because their T-90 tank is a dud and they didn't make many of them. They've lost over 300k soldiers to death and wounded, economy is trashed, laughing stock of the world for a few provinces in Ukraine... They have guys in the field with tennis shoes, rusty guns, convicts from prison etc. Their special speztna troops are all gone and even lots of mutiny against commanders. The dude that saw most success was Wagner and they killed his ass now the regular army is being ripped apart from their WWII tactics. They lost several naval ships to a country that doesn't even have a fucking navy. Putins land grab was a massive failure and there is no other way to say it. Belarus wont join because their military told their dictator that they'd disobey orders, and russia along with winnie the poo and iran are using Hamas to split the fronts and money to ukraine. (that's worked) f russia, f putin, slava ukrani
     
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  2. VAg8r1

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    Apparently, you didn't bother reading any of the linked articles, most significantly the one concerning Putin's statements of December 2021 in which he almost telegraphed his intention of invading Ukraine in the near future. Once again:
    Ukraine was one of 15 Soviet republics and Putin used a lengthy article published on the Kremlin website this year to set out why he believed Russia's southern neighbour and its people were an integral part of Russian history and culture. This view is rejected by Kyiv as a politically motivated and over-simplified version of history.
     
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  3. duggers_dad

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    There are only 17 Russian troops left and they’re downtown fighting with shovels. But boy are they making their presence felt …

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  4. G8trGr8t

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    appeasement never works, never has. exhibit # 876,564,321

    if we don't support Ukraine, Putin will not stop there. Freedom loving countries should support any country that is willing to fight for their freedom, especially if we don't have to have blood in the fight. Can't understand how any human being with an ounce of ethics could refuse to support someone trying to stop their homes from being looted and their wives and daughters raped by the invaders. no offense, but your friend should be in Ukraine fighting for his freedom instead of letting others spill blood for him while he hides in Canada.
     
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  5. chemgator

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    Here is where our latest foolish propaganda outburst (Ukraine will be America's second Vietnam) came from: Putin's spy chief (who is apparently dumber than his boss) Sergei Naryshkin made the claim to try to intimidate the U.S. into stopping the flow of weapons to Ukraine.

    Putin's spy chief tells U.S: Ukraine will become your Vietnam

    Looks to me like Ukraine is already Russia's Vietnam (only worse). Russia has over 120k killed in Ukraine vs. 58k for the U.S. in Vietnam. The U.S., in contrast, has zero active duty troops killed in Ukraine. The U.S. has sent less than $100 billion so far, much of it in obsolete (or nearly obsolete) hardware that was unlikely to be used for anything else. It's a tiny fraction of what we will save after Ukraine wins the war, assuming that the imbeciles in Congress can be reasoned with.

    Ukraine is turning into such a black hole for Russian people and resources that Putin is having to restructure his economy to try to keep his army supplied, and the economy is currently overheating with interest rates at 7.5% and climbing. Interest rates in the U.S. are at 3% and dropping. (In the first Vietnam War, U.S. overspending on the war led to double-digit inflation in the U.S. in the late-1970's.)

    Putin (and his minions) have enough to worry about to try to keep his war going through the rest of this U.S. administration, much less continuing into the next one.

    There is nothing more pathetic than an ignorant and apparently, desperate, intelligence man.
     
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  6. duggers_dad

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    LOL, it just came from me and my noticing that Ukraine is in Russia’s backyard.
     
  7. chemgator

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    Trump had already served his purpose for Putin: weakening NATO. And Trump was such a good supporter of Russia (and such a good destroyer of the U.S. political system and U.S. relationships with other countries) that Putin might have delayed the invasion to see if Trump would get re-elected. There was also an unpredictability with Trump with regard to how he might respond, of course, but I believe that was a secondary concern. Trump did not get re-elected, and his insurrection plan failed. About a year after that, Putin invaded.

    Had Trump been re-elected, Putin might have invaded anyway. Trump would probably have fallen for the "military exercise" explanation of Russian troops massing at the border (and not provided any material assistance to Ukraine), and he might have fallen for the "getting rid of Nazis" excuse for the invasion. By the time Trump pulled his pants up from around his ankles, Putin would have been making speeches in Kiev bragging about his new property. Again, do not forget that Trump's first reaction to the invasion was to say that it was "savvy" on the part of Putin. (Do you think that FDR considered making such a comment about Hitler when Germany invaded Poland?)

    It would be a double bonus for Putin if he had invaded as Trump was starting his second term (assuming that Trump would be re-elected). Not only would he be invading a totally unprepared country, but that country could not count on the U.S. to lead the way on a NATO support drive AND the U.S. would drag its feet on providing military aid. So I don't think I would be too proud of Trump because the invasion did not occur on his watch.

    What Putin did not think of is that his invasion would wake up and strengthen NATO, and Biden would do a reasonably good job of leading western countries to donate military equipment to Ukraine.
     
  8. chemgator

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    Ukraine still owns the night in the war. Russian troops are asking family members to send them night vision goggles to help them fight. Russian training also rarely emphasizes night fighting, because they feel it is more important to impress senior officers during daytime, when they are awake. How pathetic.

    Ukraine-Russia war: Russians 'struggling' to fight at night

     
  9. duggers_dad

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    When Muricans think about Russia …

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  10. chemgator

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    Nice try, propaganda boy. Enjoy your paycheck from the Kremlin.
     
  11. duggers_dad

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    Still waiting. Where are my rubles ???
     
  12. VAg8r1

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    He was being facetious. It's been obvious going all the way back to February 2022 that you gladly regurgitate Russian propaganda gratis.
     
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  13. duggers_dad

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    As if you cared about Ukraine in the least.
     
  14. chemgator

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    Even if we did not care about Ukraine or the Ukrainian people, we would probably care about concepts like "freedom" and "justice" (you might need to get out a dictionary to understand those words). Putin is committing mass murder during his $12 trillion heist in Ukraine. Russia is one of the greatest threats to world peace in the world today. When they aren't invading other countries, they are selling weapons to despotic regimes to make the world more chaotic. Some people might be offended by such news. But not you. Eh, comrade? You claim to care about the lives of the Ukrainians, but to what end? To be sure they make better slaves for their Russian masters if they lose this war? Or can you force enough Russian sunshine up your own ass to believe that Ukrainians will be well-treated and prosperous under Russian occupation?
     
  15. duggers_dad

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    Ha-Ha-Ha! Ukraine the bell weather of democracy. LOL that the U.S. ever wanted to leave Russia alone.
     
  16. chemgator

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    So you don't understand what "freedom" means. You think it means democracy, apparently. It must be difficult being functionally illiterate in today's world. And, not to rub salt in your (self-inflicted) wounds, but it's "bellwether", not " bell weather". I can see the Kremlin does not pay you very well, but you don't seem to mind . . .

    BELLWETHER Definition & Usage Examples | Dictionary.com
     
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  17. duggers_dad

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    Millions of Donetsk residents on the phone for you
     
  18. VAg8r1

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    You may want to read this:
    How Putin lost hearts and minds in eastern Ukraine | Brian Milakovsky
    Not Donestsk but Luhansk the other Oblast in the supposedly pro-Russian Dombas.
     
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  19. duggers_dad

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    Are you some kind of MAGA-type election denier ? Look, you guys aren’t alone. Even your talking points mentors can’t believe what’s happened …

     
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  20. chemgator

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    The latest news: Russia has lost 87% of the number of soldiers it had prior to the invasion. The U.S. estimates Russia is up to 315,000 casualties. They original number of (fighting) troops in the Russian military before the war was 360,000. Obviously, a fair number of those killed or wounded have been conscripts, but it's still a large percentage of that original number.

    Russia has lost 87% of troops it had prior to start of Ukraine war, according to US intelligence assessment | CNN Politics