It’s the same circle jerk over and over. He comes back every few weeks to make the baseless fabrication that the US is actually invading Ukraine, omitting the minor detail that Ukraine is defending its land against an illegal invasion by Russia. We know this guy idolizes Putin, and he uses the same strategy — repeat the same lie over and over and over again, knowing there will be some sucker who starts to believe, so that the lies spread slowly until they catch wildfire.
Considering your apparent obsession with China which I would agree does represent a serious threat hasn't it occurred to you that withdrawing US support for Ukraine would send a message to Xi that the US isn't a dependable ally and that Taiwan couldn't depend on the US for support over the long term in the event of a Chinese invasion, in effect reducing any risk to China should it decide to forcibly reintegrate Taiwan into China?
First, I'm not saying we need to withdraw support; Second, what the GOP has done (which I support)--is to call into question how much support, and for accountability as to how our money is being spent; Third, to prioritize our own interests first and above Ukraine's; Fourth, to prioritize Israeli support at least on equal footing with Ukraine (not even in amount, but at least tie Ukraine funding to Israeli funding); Biden n dems have sought to separate them, and of course (inexplicably actually) green light Ukraine $$$, while continuing to play games with wide open border, and screwing around with Israeli assistance. All the while, lying in the backdrop, is the dubious history of Burisma -Biden--you know--the company that paid Hunter Biden millions of dollars for...nothing... a Ukrainian firm... that TraitorJoe threatened to withhold 1 billion of US aid from Ukraine, unless they fired the prosecutor who was charged with investigating Burisma... Some serious skank emanating from and surrounding the whole thing....
I think calling into question and demanding accountability is essential. But, that’s not what was being done. MAGA wants to CUT-OFF funding and has shouted that since inception. Matt Goetz and his twerpy little acolytes has tried multiple times to shut down Congress because he doesn’t want money spent adverse to Putin. Accountability is good, indeed necessary. Stopping funding is ill-conceived, in the best of light.
Cutting off funding is no doubt the best way to save what’s left of the State Department’s gun platform, I.e., the country of Ukraine.
Russia has eviscerated its military against Ukraine. They've lost their scare value almost completely. And for perspective (as an attorney) often the threat of litigation carries more punch than actual litigation. Bc once you sue, you've laid your case out, and you're bound by the remedies available through court. There's no more punch to any threat of litigation. You're there. Russia used to rattle sabers and obtain concessions. Now.... they generate chuckles. All, for a sliver of Ukraine. Is that what you mean by 'attrition'?
That's right. To you, all that counts is the numbers of bodies on each side capable of holding a gun. To a person with even a small amount of knowledge of how militaries work, the experience level and capabilities of those soldiers is often more important than how many each side has. Not every soldier is capable of contributing to winning difficult battles. Russia lost most of its special forces troops in the opening weeks of the war, initially trying to take Kiev, and then losing ground as Ukraine's counteroffensive started. By the middle of last year, Russia was relying on its regular troops, and they were dreadful. The only troops that were worth much were the Wagner Group soldiers (using prisoners as walking targets for Ukraine), until they got disbanded after their little drive to Moscow. Russia is back to relying on regular troops and conscripts with little or no training, and most of them are not motivated. Meanwhile, Ukraine still has most of its experienced troops and they are still motivated to defend their homeland. Russia has also lost a large number of its generals. Promoting a colonel doesn't always equal replacing the knowledge and experience of that general. And worse, Putin is interfering quite a bit in the way the army operates. Putin has little or no knowledge of how a military works or how to win battles, just like his predecessor in the global domination game (Hitler). And those are some pretty big reasons that this is Russia's Vietnam, as you alluded to earlier. (Arguably, this is much worse than Vietnam for Russia, as they have lost more than 2X the number of troops that the U.S. did, in one fifth of the time.)
Back in the real world, virulently anti-Putin news source weighs in on Russian casualties and we may need to redefine the term “eviscerated” … Mediazona confirms identities of almost 36,000 Russian soldiers killed in Ukraine
Oh, oh. Somebody didn't do their research assignment or we wouldn't still be reading this silliness. Also, while we certainly need to support Israel, which we have done in the past, and increase that support now, their situation is not nearly as dire as Ukraine's. Israel is not currently being occupied by a hostile superpower. That fired Ukrainian prosecutor thing has been explained so many times now, even MAGA nation should be starting to understand it. Finally, this has been a terrific thread where a lot of interesting information regarding the war in Ukraine and how it is being conducted has been shared. One thing that has helped is that is has largely been devoid of politics. You are threatening to derail that with this constant BS. Please go create another thread and rant about anything you'd like and leave this one for the adults who would like to have a serious discussion.
Exactly. This thread already has one troll. Serious threads have a one troll per thread limit, I believe.
Putin would have invaded Ukraine no matter who was in office. Although nobody really knows what Putin's thought process was when he decided to invade the speculation was that he saw his own morality and wanted to preserve his legacy as the Russian leader who reconstituted the Soviet Union/Russian Empire keeping in mind that Ukraine was an integral part of both the former Soviet Union and the Czarist Russian Empire. Also remember that Putin referred to collapse of the Soviet Union as a great geopolitical catastrophe. From December 2021, two months before Russia invaded Ukraine. Putin rues Soviet collapse as demise of 'historical Russia' Seems that Vladimir was laying the predicate for the invasion of Ukraine two months later. Putin most likely used the Soviet invasions of Hungary in 1956 and Czechoslovakia in 1968 as his models. In the case of the former a rebellion against the Soviet occupation ended after around six weeks while in the case of the latter there is almost no resistance when Brezhnev sent in the troops to replace a reformist government. FYI Hungarian Revolution of 1956 - Wikipedia When Soviet-Led Forces Crushed the 1968 ‘Prague Spring’ | HISTORY
I think Putin was waiting to see if Trump won a second term. If he had, NATO would have been a non-issue and The Donald certainly would not have been rallying the UN and EU to sanction Russia on Ukraine's behalf.
If only you had TRUE information. That's the key. I didn't say that you were the troll, BTW. I think we can view this statement as a confession. What you have is Kremlin propaganda and snarky opinions of people that know very little, and that's putting it kindly.
Functional illiterate Senator J.D. Vance of Ohio, viewed as a possible running mate for Dimwit Donald Trump, explains his plan and reasoning for getting Ukraine to give up a large chunk of its land in exchange for peace. Apparently, "nobody" (in Trump's inner circle jerk) could believe that Ukraine was capable of driving out Russia from Ukraine. Republican senator says Ukraine may have to cede land to Russia to end war Nobody except for Ukraine, the U.S. military, the U.S. executive branch, and almost half of Congress. We are probably fortunate that Vance knows more about war than the U.S. military. Vance's military experience was one tour as a military correspondent in Iraq after high school. He then got a law degree and spent the next phase of his life as a lawyer and venture capitalist before becoming a politician. Giving Russia what it currently occupies would give Russia most of the $12 trillion in mineral wealth of Ukraine, and reduce Ukraine to farmers' wages (what the rest of Ukraine does well). I'm not sure that Ukraine would want to sign off on that. Russia would rebuild its military that much faster with an extra $10-12 trillion in their pockets. In fact, it's possible, if we help Ukraine win this war, that Ukraine would be able to pay us back for our assistance with some of this $12 trillion wealth. Not spending a fortune on an arms race in the next decade, however, is more than financial incentive enough for an intelligent United States to support Ukraine. Unfortunately, that requires us to have intelligent people in the Senate, not illiterates like J.D. Vance. And another thing that the Senator did not explain is why it is in America's best interests to cede some territory to Russia and bring this war to a close. Would he have argued during the Normandy landings that France needed to cede some territory to Germany to bring the war to a close faster? Wars occur at their own pace. This pace has been slow, partly because the U.S. has been tight with its wallet in supporting Ukraine. We gave Ukraine only 31 of our 10,000 Abrams tanks. We have slow-rolled several of our weapons systems, including ATACMs missiles. It will be close to two years before Ukraine gets any F-16's. Well, WWII cost the U.S. about $4 trillion in today's dollars. Did the Stupefied Senator think that all that money was spent at one time? Did he think you could fight a modern superpower on one fortieth the budget of WWII? WWII was an extensive war against two military superpowers of the day in multiple locations, so I could possibly see trying to win the war on a fifth or a tenth of the budget of WWII (with Ukraine supplying the manpower), but not 1/40th. The initial U.S. military aid did accomplish several things. It enabled Ukraine to push Russia back from the outskirts of Kiev to the territories it currently occupies and put Russia on a defensive footing. Winter weather allowed Russia to set up formidable defenses that are taking a significant amount of time to overcome. More military aid will allow Ukraine to start pushing through these defenses and win the war before they run out of soldiers.
It's da snowglobe! "Grown up conversation" = regurgitating the same tired crap at each other, fondling each others' nuts, and singing on perfect harmony. Lol!
yes and on reddit they all think that all republicans are putin lovers for not just giving billions more every week that we're not keeping track of. I have a very good friend of mine I played hockey with from Kiev. I was texting the week leading up to the war and he kept telling me "war isn't going to happen, american media is trying to scare you" and then when it did happen he was trapped. He was able to get his wife and kids to Estonia but he couldn't leave. I've been trying for the last few weeks to get a hold of him with nothing in return. Finally this weekend he sent me a message that he and his family are in Canada at his first host parents home which makes me happy. I want ukaine to win but why is it America's job to do so? The USA has put up nearly as much as the rest of the countries combined, it's not fair to us and many tax payers even liberals are starting to see how bad of shape we're in. With thousands crossing the border everyday in the south, the food prices through the roof, basically needing 11k more this year to be where you were 2 years ago is killing us, yet we are expected to give billions more. We nearly had a gov shut down not too long ago and another is looming yet anyone that has concerns is labeled as a putin lover etc. I'm fed up with this war, I'm firmly in the boat of thinking that the west doesn't really care who wins, as long as russia is bled dry in the meatgrinder. they don't want a humiliating russian loss that may cause a civil war while they have the most nukes (whether they work or not) being left out there. Because if they did want ukraine to win they'd be giving them more HIMARS, APC's, fighting vehicles and would've been training them on tanks and planes right away. I will say that I was not expecting this time of war. I was for some reason expecting a precision strike type war not random bombings and mass damage in civilian areas. but I believe we need to make sure we start taking care of home first and Europe can pull their big boy pants up and start doing more. but they have no supplies because they always thought america would defend them with their bases overseas and didn't spend anything on defense budgets and they're seeing it now. If I'm not mistaking, I remember a few years ago in war games the Germans had to borrow their German made Leopard tanks from Sweden because they didn't have enough ready ones for war games. I've always loved giving them old dusty weapons from the 80s and watching them just absolutely destroy russia and their Wunderwaffe weapons and doesn't put our troops in the fight, I also believe that if the ruskies took over ukraine fast like they thought they would that we'd probably see another war soon on a large scale so helping them out was right. But hey, we didn't do shit in 2014 when they took Crimea and Putin was betting that we wouldn't now and for the most part he's right other than aid. I'd love to see Ukraine win and drop Cyrilic for roman alphabet ukranian language. I know a ton of Ukranians and they're good people.
Lol! Forget what he actually did and when... you KNOW he would dun did it anyways bc.... *reasons*... Very persuasive. (In da snowglobe anyway...).
