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War in Ukraine

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by PITBOSS, Jan 21, 2022.

  1. VAg8r1

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    A little more about "the journalist".
    How a Sleazy American Dating Coach Became a Pro-Putin Shill in Ukraine
    His “fair-and-balanced” accounts often involve wild claims about the supposedly obvious “evil” of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. The comedian-turned-politician is a known “cokehead,” Lira has claimed—a man who uses his people as shields, has provided arms to criminals who have terrorized the streets of Kyiv, and has possibly “deliberately tried to have a nuclear accident” to pin it on Russia and possibly drag America into his war. Meanwhile, Lira has portrayed the Russian assault as provoked—and as “one of the most brilliant invasions in military history.” He has insisted that the invaders don’t want to harm civilians or civilian infrastructure and are in fact taking pains not to, that the Russian advance has not stalled but is in fact right on course, and that Russian domination will likely be good for Ukraine in the end.

    He has also shared widely debunked conspiracy theories to support or build out his narratives, many of them revolving around Russian claims that they’ve found evidence of American bioweapons labs and research in Ukraine. He has decried stories about Ukrainian resistance as obvious Western propaganda. And he has accused people who contradict his assessments of being idiots or paid shills.

    Not only do Lira's narratives fly in the face of a vast amount of credible on-the-ground reporting, they “fit perfectly with what Putin and his associates have been claiming for months,”
    as Motyl put it. In fact, Lira has been in such striking lockstep with Russian narratives on the conflict—sometimes even posting official government statements as definitive truths about it—that Russian propaganda outlets have used clips of him as a supposed source of external, on-the-ground support for its stories.
     
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  2. duggers_dad

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    There has been a fair amount of discussion about how the Daily Beast almost got Lira killed.
     
  3. uftaipan

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    Seems consistent with Putin’s war strategy: information operations as a substitute for victories on the battlefield.
     
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  4. PITBOSS

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    A lot of posts on this thread are knowledgeable, offer keen insight and new findings on the war. Please let’s try not to muck it up with nutty conspiracy theories. That’s what happened to the Covid thread and it’s basically worthless now on an important topic.
     
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  5. chemgator

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    Apparently Russia has been ordering comrades of fallen soldiers to burn the possessions of the dead soldiers to keep from reporting the true number of people killed.

    Russian soldier says he was told to burn the personal belongings ID'ing his dead comrades, a report says

     
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  6. duggers_dad

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    Conspiracy theories like the deadly importance of hiding from a computer printout.
     
  7. duggers_dad

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    Ah, to be a high schooler again. I’d have tranny classmates this time around.
     
  8. uftaipan

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    Huh. That’s weird. If I didn’t know better, I would say that sounded like yet another method for hiding casualties. But I do know better, because Russia is, like, “winning,” and winners don’t need to hide their casualties.
     
  9. GatorJMDZ

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    Your underlying premise is completely flawed. Here's a little research project for you to cut down on some of your worst errors. Learn how much of our aid to Ukraine is actually sent to Ukraine in monetary form and how much is spent buying equipment, ammunition, etc. from American companies here in the US. This was addressed recently on December 7 at a press conference and should be easy for you to find.

    Then come back and apologize for not being better informed prior to jumping on other posters.
     
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  10. chemgator

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    The Kremlin has started Operation Doppleganger to provide false information about the Gaza war to distract westerners from the War in Ukraine. Russia provides information from sources that look like western news outlets, saying outrageously false things like western countries are cooperating with Hamas. The sites even have a link that goes back to the original news outlet website to convince people they are looking at actual news footage.

    I'm not optimistic that the average American is smart enough to figure out this propaganda.

    Kremlin’s ‘doppelganger’ propaganda so convincing it is hard to tell from real news

     
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  11. chemgator

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    I think I explained that to him, but he wasn't capable of understanding the information.
     
  12. chemgator

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    Looks like Russia's only hope is a group of republican traitors in the U.S. Congress. Fortunately for the traitors, they have support among the ignorant masses, who are too stupid to think for themselves.
     
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  13. 92gator

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    It wasn't conspiracy theories that killed the covid thread. That actually added some breadth to it. It was the rabbit holes.

    I don't do rabbit holes.
     
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  14. AndyGator

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    You ever thought of running for president? I need someone to vote for. :cool:
     
  15. 92gator

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    We already have a puppet for POTUS. What would that accomplish?
     
  16. duggers_dad

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    These have been heady days in dazzling, snowy Moscow. To start with, let’s go on a roll call of all those indicators which are being reluctantly admitted even by rabid NATOstan media.

    A manufacturing boom is in effect in a semi war economy. Investments are up, up and away – including by dodgy Russian oligarchs who can’t park their funds in the West anymore.

    Last January, the IMF was betting that the Russian economy would shrink by 2.3%. Now this outpost of the Treasury Department admits Russian GDP will grow by 2.2%. Actually it’s 3%, according to Putin himself, based on figures provided by the “Disrupter” (as described by a Western rag), Madame Elvira Nabiullina.

    Escobar: Moscow On The Rocks | ZeroHedge
     
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    The two-part Washington Post report on the failed Ukraine counter offensive was written primarily to blame Ukraine for the debacle and exonerate the United States. My analysis of those articles (here and here) highlighted astounding miscalculations and malpractice by U.S. and NATO advisors.

    The fundamental flaw is the U.S. military personnel are pretending to have experience that they do not have. The U.S. military is like a Driver’s Education school. They are qualified and competent to teach students how to drive a car on city streets.

    They can teach how to drive in reverse, how to parallel park and how to navigate getting on to a super highway. But they are not qualified to teach GT race car drivers how to be competitive at the 24 Hours of Le Mans or the Indianapolis 500.


    Why The United States Military is Clueless When It Comes to Ukraine
     
  18. VAg8r1

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    You used the wrong tense in your sentence. Corrected it for you.
    We already have had a puppet for POTUS.

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  19. 92gator

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    Riiiiigghhht.....

    That's why he waited until AFTER Trump's term expired to invade Ukraine.

    Bc had he done so while *his puppet* was in power, why he coulda' been assured of US not getting involved...

    Perfect sense (in da snowglobe anyway; utter nonsense in the real world...).
     
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  20. 92gator

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    Russia doesn't seem to be faring much better on that terrain.

    Unless you count a sliver half the width of Florida over 2 years, good progress.