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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by pkaib01, Apr 21, 2023.

  1. chemgator

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    Strange news . . . City officials across the country have accidentally created a secondary market for guns consisting of weapons taken off the streets by police, and sent to a company for "destruction". The company then destroys one component of the guns (the frame) and sells the remainder of the weapons on-line for a discount. The missing part is easy to order to reconstitute the gun. Even better: the reconstituted guns no longer have a serial number to track them. They will destroy the entire gun if the city pays extra for it, but only 2% of the customers do so.

    Sounds like a "feel good" (but brain-dead) policy if I ever heard one.

    The Guns Were Said to Be Destroyed. Instead, They Were Reborn.

     
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  2. VAg8r1

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    Looks like the companies that were supposed to be destroying firearms are using a loophole (destroying on the part of the gun with the serial number) to perpetuate a fraud.
     
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  3. homer

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    Good idea.

    Get em out of the hands of criminals and into the hands of law abiding American citizens. Hopefully at a lesser cost.
     
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  4. chemgator

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    Because criminals won't buy things at a discount?
     
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  5. PITBOSS

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    That’s just one component.

    “Hundreds of towns and cities have turned to a growing industry that offers to destroy guns used in crimes, surrendered in buybacks or replaced by police force upgrades.”
     
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  6. PITBOSS

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    Interesting, red states want more guns on the street……

    From post 162…
    “Red-state lawmakers have pushed to prohibit law enforcement agencies from destroying firearms in their inventories while also discouraging gun buybacks”

    Some of these firearms turn back up in other crimes, sometimes involving the assault of an officer,”


    Separately
    Red States Have Higher Gun Death Rates Than Blue States. Here’s Why
     
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  7. chemgator

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    One thing that could possibly result from the buyback and non-destruction program: if there is enough of a discount on the weapon parts, and the buyback is high enough, someone could purchase the parts, reassemble the guns, and bring them to the next buyback somewhere else. Just make a business out of it. I don't think anyone in business has ever gone broke underestimating the intelligence of the U.S. government.
     
  8. chemgator

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    California has had several gun buybacks that have turned up some interesting things, including an Uzi sub-machine gun and a rocket launcher.

    Rocket launcher surrendered at gun buyback event, California authorities say

     
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  9. helix

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    Pretty misleading article.

    The missing part (the lower receiver on an AR-15) is easy to order but is a regulated part and is the same as purchasing an actual full firearm. If you buy one from an FFL you have to go through a background check.

    The remainder of the weapons are simply spare parts that aren't functional or dangerous without the lower receiver, which houses the entirety of the fire control group (i.e. trigger, hammer, safety) among other parts. If you buy all of those parts and then buy a lower receiver to reconstitute the gun, you have built a new firearm and that firearm will have the serial number present on the new lower receiver. The only way you would not have a serial number on the reconstituted gun is if you manufactured the new lower receiver yourself. This is doable, but generally requires some specific tooling.

    and FWIW, the market for all of those parts already existed, and my guess is components sourced from buybacks aren't enough of a blip in supply to move the needle in price or accessibility appreciably
     
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    Eleven years since we learned that not even the slaughter of innocents was enough to move the conscience of the weapon worshippers and make them feel part of a larger society

     
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    Supreme Court refuses to block Illinois assault weapons ban | The Hill

    The Supreme Court refused, again, to block Illinois’s ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines Thursday.

    A gun rights group and gun shop owner argue the bans violate their Second Amendment rights and asked the justices to step in on an emergency basis to block enforcement. The plaintiffs made a similar request in the spring, which was rejected.

    In a brief order with no noted dissents, the high court again rejected their motion.

    The decision leaves in place the laws, for now, although the issue could ultimately return to the justices.
     
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    As a former elementary school teacher and a human with a heart, Sandyhook rattled me and angered me like no other incident. Most incidents since have just made me numb and cynical. What a flawed world we live it.
     
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    Tire shop owner shoots landscaper for blowing leaves onto his property in NW Miami-Dade – NBC 6 South Florida (nbcmiami.com)

    A business owner shot a landscaper Friday in northwest Miami-Dade for blowing leaves onto his property, police said.

    The shooting happened in the 1500 block of Northwest 79th Street, according to Miami-Dade Police.

    The landscaper was working at a property across the street and the owner of P&P Auto Tire Shop became upset that the leaves were being blown onto his property, police said.

    An argument ensued, and the owner shot the landscaper, police said. The landscaper was transported to Jackson Memorial Hospital in critical condition.
     
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    I just found out today that RPG's and flamethrowers are legal
     
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    Why shouldn't we be able to play D&D?