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New York residents will have to pay for driving in the city: How much will it cost and who has to pa

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by flgator2, Dec 7, 2023.

  1. flgator2

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    New York residents will have to pay for driving in the city: How much will it cost and who has to pay? (msn.com)

    Although the report with the official rates will not be released until Thursday, Dec. 7, various media have had access to an advance copy, which states that the daily rate for vehicles traveling through Manhattan will be as follows:
    • 15 for cars
    • $7.50 for motorcycles.
    • $24 for small trucks
    • $36 for large trucks and cargo vans
    • $1.25 for yellow taxis
    • $2.50 for application taxis
    The measure will affect some 143,000 motorists who drive daily on the streets of Manhattan, while payment collection will be carried out through electronic toll machines, whose installation has already been 60% completed.

    These liberals are counting on their constituents being too ignorant to realize it's just another tax to grab their money by claiming it will improve air quality and reduce traffic.
     
  2. G8R92

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    I dread the day when Florida has toll roads.
     
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  3. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator VIP Member

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    Not sure I understand that. Counting on people not realizing a toll is user fee?

    of course, I don’t understand the technology either.
     
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    The technology has been installed in 60% of the City. Also of note, 60% of the City's residents have received the latest Covid vaccine.
     
  5. citygator

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    Not sure the point of the thread. NYC is the most desirable place to live outside california as measured by people's willingness to buy property at high prices. Usage fees for the roads to raise money that lowers pollution and lowers congestion seems pretty smart and is just a bonus that it is triggering the OP because.. ya know.. liberals.

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  6. wgbgator

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    This is actually a good idea? Taxes should be used to discourage things, and you want to do that with driving in the city. It should be expensive to park and drive in the city. If it doesn't work, then maybe take more drastic action. They definitely need to make improvements to the subway and other forms of transit.
     
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  7. BLING

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    You don’t even need to “make” it expensive to park and drive in NYC. A NYC parking space costs as much as a FL condo.
     
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    For those of us that don't know, what is an "application taxi"? Uber?
     
  9. surfn1080

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    Odd because every city on that list for CA has had a population decrease.

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    Prices are not influenced just by desirability.
    Demand and supply are major forces on it. A lot of those cities have no more land to build. CA has a large population with a lot of high-tech jobs that pay very well which also influences price. That got to a breaking point though and of course, CA has lost a lot of people in the past few years.

    With that said, NYC is the financial capital of the world. It is an iconic city that you can only build up if you want to fit more people. Prices will always be very high there.
     
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    I visited NYC about 10 years ago. Even then it cost $30 to park near the courthouse in Queens. I was blown away.

    Wonder what it cost today.
     
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  11. flgator2

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    I don't know
     
  12. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator VIP Member

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    Does it read license plates?
     
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    None of which are required to drive on to arrive anywhere in Florida. (Major toll roads)

    Now there are some tolls on bridges throughout local communities, etc.
     
  14. OklahomaGator

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    yes
     
  15. mrhansduck

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    I drove from Pensacola to Tampa awhile back and keep forgetting to pay my invoice for the various tolls. I suspect it's not going to be much money, but I wasn't doing the math while going through them.
     
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    Make NYC a theme park and charge admission? Youse can come enjoy dah freak show, but its gonna cost ya!
     
  17. lacuna

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    I doubt it will reduce traffic that much or have the benefit some anticipate it will have. The rates will not deter many of the daily commuters who work in NYC and live in surrounding suburbs. In 1978 and 79 we lived in New Jersey and Trucker was working in the city. His daily commute into the city involved 3 rail lines and was nearly 2 hours. The first train from Murray Hill, NJ on an Erie Lackawana commuter train took him to Hoboken where he transfered to the PATH line (Port Authority Trans Hudson), an uderground line into lower Manhattan. Then a subway ride to his office in midtown. The return was faster - 90 minutes.

    It wore him down and he requested his company pay for a daily parking place near his office. They agreed to his request and found him a reserved parking slot available 5 days a week under an apartment building less than 2 blocks from his office building.. The cost at the time was $120 a month and well worth it as having the space improved his mood and productivity and allowed us more family time. He said he thinks a space like he had would cost a good deal more today, but in demand from people who value their time with family and wish to maximize that time.
     
  18. citygator

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    Prices aren’t just desirability? Then you go on to list desirable traits for California and NYC… like jobs that pay for instance.

    If you have the most desirable land in the world and it is slightly less desirable this year that doesnt make it undesirable. Alabama is cheap and growing but no one wants to live there vs San Francisco regardless if there is a minor shift between the two.
     
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  19. surfn1080

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    What does Alabama have that NYC or SF does not, land. Obviously pay and type of jobs is a big factor.
    Value of properties is just not based on desirability as I said. You have to factor in supply which is something Alabama can have a lot of. NYC can’t because it doesn’t have anymore land.


    Go compare price index for the Tampa, St Pete area versus San Fran. Tell me what you see.