Trump's Troubles

What a weird thread

 

No kidding. Who could have ever imagined that someone like Trump would ever be elected president?

 

Liz Cheney was listening in on a phone conversation that Trump's legal team was having where they described his plan to have fake electors vote for him in the Electoral College vote. Fortunately, Mike Pence did not cooperate with Trump's plan.

Liz Cheney Reveals 'Dangerous And Chilling' Moment She Overheard Trump's True Plan

 

Jack Smith has Trump's texts trying to incite violence in Michigan during the vote count to try and stop it.

 

Who would imagine there’d be a thread of grown men wasting copious amounts of time obsessed with compiling a running list of notes on a person they hate.

There’s a condition for that.

 

The post omitted a number of significant qualifying statements with respect to the said person. Among them he is is running for election to the highest office in the United States, following his defeat in an election when he ran for a second term for said office for the first time in American history he refused to accede to the peaceful transfer of power and attempted to orchestrate (a fortunately failed) coup d'état, he has been indicted for multiple crimes including the said failed coup, and last but certainly not least he has promised that if elected he will weaponize the government against his perceived enemies once again circumventing constitutional norms and will employ one overriding criterion in selecting advisors and subordinates that of personal loyalty to him.

There is a term for that, it's called concern for the future of the United States as a Constitutional Republic.

 

You don't think a list of legal concerns involving someone running for the presidency of the United States is noteworthy? Weird.

 

Liz for 3

 

Thank you for further confirming my point.

 

Yeah well it’s not TDS. That’s a malady of the GOP. Speaking for myself I suffer from fealty to truth, justice and the American way. All lacking on team Trump.

 

He did slip up a bit more with the 1/6 stuff though (including the Georgia phone call, which is about as incriminating as it gets).

This text in question is not from Trump. It’s between a Trump campaign staffer and a campaign lawyer discussing using a riot to disrupt the vote counting in Michigan. So I guess the question is if the person is a co-defendant, or if it’s someone that cooperated about where these criminal orders were coming from. Seems to me for something like that to be truly damning would require the principles in that conversation to point the finger at Trump, otherwise of course his defense will be it was a rogue staffer/lawyer.

 

He's a slavish fan boy of that person so it's really not shocking.

 

Considering that my point was that the frequent mentions of Trump are based on the concern that his election could result in the end of the US as a constitutional republic it surprises me that you agree with my analysis. I originally thought that your implicit point was that concern with Trump is an irrational obsession. I'm genuinely surprised that you apparently (although probably unintentionally) agree with my post that there are multiple rational reasons for concern regarding Trump.

 

How far along are you in treatment?

 

yep. Seems damning if admitted. Smith used it in a court filing indicating he intends to introduce it as evidence and to date he has not said or done frivolous things particularly as regards to his cases and the court system.

https://michiganadvance.com/2023/12...detroit-to-try-and-subvert-the-2020-election/

https://thehill.com/regulation/cour...cial-counsel-trump-2020-election-case-motive/
Prosecutors also plan to show evidence gathered about other Trump associates, including the encouraging of riots at a Detroit vote-counting center and the targeting of a Republican National Committee attorney who countered Trump’s claims of fraud.

“The Campaign Employee encouraged rioting and other methods of obstruction when he learned that the vote count was trending in favor of the defendant’s opponent,” the filing says of a campaign employee who sought to mobilize riots at the TCF Center after President Biden took the lead in vote counts.

“Thereafter, Trump made repeated false claims regarding election activities at the TCF Center, when in truth his agent was seeking to cause a riot to disrupt the count.”

Jan. 6 attack was 'exactly' what Trump intended, special counsel claims in court filing
Special counsel Jack Smith, in a court filing Tuesday, detailed additional evidence he plans to introduce at the trial of former President Donald Trump on charges of unlawfully trying to overturn the results of the 2020 election, including evidence of Trump's alleged state of mind as his supporters attacked the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6.

"This evidence shows that the rioters' disruption of the certification proceeding is exactly what the defendant intended on January 6," Smith said in the filing.


Smith revealed to the judge that “on November 4, 2020,” a Trump Campaign “employee exchanged a series of text messages with an attorney supporting the Campaign’s election day operations at the TCF Center in Detroit, where votes were being counted. In the messages, the Campaign Employee encouraged rioting and other methods of obstruction when he learned that the vote count was trending in favor of Trump’s opponent."

 

I recognize reality. If you do not recognize the danger represented by Trump you are apparently suffering from the syndrome described in this paper and are the one who needs treatment.
Tenacity of attachment to a cult leader: a psychiatric perspective - PubMed

The author describes the attitudes of these and other devotees who submitted to the irrational guru. The leader's radical teachings, his purported closeness to God, and his embodiment of a countercultural ideal of freedom appeared to be factors that bolstered his overwhelming authority in his followers' lives. The devotees used denial, rationalization, and other defensive operations to maintain the fantasy that the leader was acting for their benefit.​

Although the paper was not about MAGA nation (it concerns a much smaller cult) the characteristics described in the paper are also very applicable to Trump and his followers.