DeSantis vs Newsome

I hope nobody pays you for your “research” as it’s piss poor.

 

It is not just a purchasing department. In fact, if you search her name, you can find a WUFT video of her discussing how she is operating a new system to try to help individual school librarians comply with the law. I am quite familiar with the school systems in Florida and this position has always existed and still does.

 

too late. I got paid a ton. So much that I retired at 53. Sorry to bust your hopes.


What are your pronouns? For you mine are Alpha, and stud-dog.

 

Yep, you wanted another layer of bureaucracy and wanted to explain how that isn't big government. But, unfortunately, it is.

So if you reelect somebody, it means approval of all actions? Wow, I guess Americans approve of everything Obama did then, by that standard. Thanks for letting me know.

Ahh, so big government for thee not for me? Interesting admission.

 

I came here to remind you boys:

Brazzers is free.

Back to The Den.

 

I find it interesting that my posts from Gender Queer were removed as "pornographic content."

So do we agree that pornographic content was supplied to Florida public schools and was indeed a problem?

 

Gator715 wins the thread.

 

Let's not forget that the American Library Association gave this book an award under the category of having "special appeal to young adults, ages 12 to 18."

I guess under the Too Hot moderating standard, the American Library Association supports supplying minors ages 12 to 18 with pornography.

 

/rabbit hole.

 

In re: Gender Queer

https://www.ala.org/alsc/sites/ala.org.alsc/files/content/confevents/institute/Considering Reconsiderations -Sample Book Resume - Gender Queer -1.pdf

School Library Journal: Recommended grades 9 and up.

Garden State Teen Book Award nominee for grades 6-12.

Listed under Denver Public Schools top 100 high school books.

Jefferson County recommended reading for grades 9-12.

The book was offered in public school libraries in Florida, and has won awards for books targeted at people under 18. Yet it was removed from Too Hot as pornography.

Do you guys still think there's no problem here? Do you still think blind deference to the experts is the answer?

 

Yours are more likely Walter and Mitty

Walter Mitty - Wikipedia

 

again myopic. You are literally arguing for laying the groundwork for state government to have the power to make this book REQUIRED in the future.

Hey, here's what the libs of the WSJ had to say TODAY.

Trump’s Second-Term Plans: Anti-‘Woke’ University, ‘Freedom Cities’

It is a governing platform barely recognizable to prior generations of Republican politicians, who campaigned against one-size-fits-all federal dictates and argued that state legislators, mayors and town halls were best positioned to oversee their communities. While many of his proposals would be difficult to achieve, the second-term agenda outlined by Trump could require waves of new federal intervention, even as he calls for firing government workers, neutering the “deep state” and cutting regulations.

 

Not misleading. Both the smoking ban and a library book ban are bans. The fact that they are limited bans or more specific, instead of total and complete bans doesn’t make them something other than a ban. Yes, it’s not as bad as the gestapo literally confiscating or outlawing all copies of books owned privately, but it’s a slippery slope when you look at the ideological motivations of these people.

Don’t believe me? Just ask Merrian-Webster. Which uses smoking in public places in a sentence, and yet still refers to it as a ban.


banned; banning; bans
Synonyms of ban
transitive verb

1
: to prohibit especially by legal means
ban discrimination

Is smoking banned in all public buildings?

also : to prohibit the use, performance, or distribution of

If you want, we can add qualifiers. Smoking is banned from public spaces. These books are being. banned from school libraries and/or public libraries. Adding qualifiers doesn’t change my opinion on either.

Of course not. Pretty easy. Graphic pictures/illustrations should be off limits to children. But the fact this doesn’t happen is the KEY here. Why would I want to dismiss that it doesn’t happen, as if that’s not important? Makes your argument a tad convenient to just gloss over actual reality in favor of an imagined reality.

The lack of solid examples should clue you in this is yet another made up culture warrior issue. Just look at the lists of books getting banned. Show me ONE that exposes a 7 year old to “graphic depictions”. Instead, we (completely predictably I might add) have libraries pulling copies of works by black authors, including ludicrously pulling works like To Kill a Mockingbird, Catch-22, random books just because they have a LGBTQ character (which should definitely be fine in high school without question). The book banners give themselves away with the works they target. The only thing even really worth looking at/debating are some of the “age appropriateness” for young children. From what I’ve seen, this represents a very small slice of the books being challenged and even some of those seem insane to want to prohibit/ban (I.e. something like that book about Penguins which obviously is in no way graphic or sexual).

 

What else can I do to establish that it does happen?

Gender Queer was REMOVED from Florida public school libraries and Too Hot mods removed an image from that very same book on this thread, labeling it as "pornographic."

 

Why did you think it was okay to post porn on here!?

 

Yeah I'm sure I could find some online school that offers worthless law degrees. In fact, I assume that's where you got yours. But that doesn't change the fact that most lawyers have real law degrees. And most school librarians have real masters degrees in library science.

 

My opinion aside, I didn't think it was considered pornography because of its availability to minors in public schools. For goodness sakes, it's encouraged reading material for minors by local governments throughout the country. And anyone calling to remove books like this from public schools is smeared as a Nazi interested in book banning.

If this is considered inappropriate, I'm all for that being the new standard (or should I say going back to the old standard before we all lost our minds), but let's clear the air here. Enough of this digging our heads in the sand and pretending none of this exists and none of it is happening. I just showed you guys that it is.

Here's what we CANNOT do. Treat Gender Queer as pornography everywhere but K-12 schools. That's a backwards way of running a country.

 

That doesn't mean lawyers are never wrong nor does it mean librarians are never wrong.

And there needs to be systems of accountability for both. Lawyers however are in a bit of a unique situation because they typically self-regulate. They run their own state bars, they generally write the laws, and they generally run the courts.

The deeper you go down the US administrative rabbit hole, the less accountable government bureaucrats including public school librarians become.

 

I was mostly just giving you a hard time. I don't personally consider what you posted to be porn. It does seem inappropriate to me for elementary students at least. Some of the complaints about non sexual books are more concerning to me.

 

It says right in your links that book is aimed at high school aged students. Not sure what that has to do with the discussion at hand (about elementary school).

Besides that, who cares what “TooHot’s” standards are? TooHot has other inane rules, like no swearing or no personal insults - rules that aren’t applicable outside this closed forum. That something is “Too hot for Too hot” is irrelevant. Should that book be banned from high school? Given the awards and recommendations you yourself posted that seems like a hard no. Individual parents can always opt their kids out if they want. That is true choice. Freedom isn’t dictating what others are allowed to access. My inclination has always been that almost nothing should be banned from high school libraries or public libraries except maybe actual porn or instruction on how to build bombs. Not that any librarian is likely to acquire such materials in the first place.