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What's happening in DeSantistan 2.0

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by gator_lawyer, Jun 9, 2023.

  1. citygator

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    Well you are an expert on hyperbolic language, so noted.
     
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  2. tampagtr

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    Here's a link. Not their fault. They obviously got a hold of a batch of bad books, which overcame their normal rectitude with insidious influence

     
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  3. defensewinschampionships

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    I don't know who Peter Schorsch is, but if you can't see stuff like this coming, you are Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles. The political class continues to attract only the best and brightest.
     
  4. tampagtr

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    Schorsch runs Florida politics, which is a statewide media source for people interested in Tallahassee politics. He’s hinted about stuff like this for a long time but obviously he could never confirm it until now. I’m sure it was common knowledge gossip but nothing you could run with
     
  5. defensewinschampionships

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    I feel like a need a shower now.

    And I don't want him OR his wife to join me.
     
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  6. tampagtr

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    I just looked back at his words. I think he means that he did not see a criminal investigation coming. Even if there was an accusation, you would’ve expected to be washed. And especially not a search warrant. But I suspect their conduct was well known; he has certainly hinted as much.
     
  7. mrhansduck

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    Seems like he was the Trump favorite and wasn't preferred by DeSantis' camp?

    ‘Florida win for Trump’: New Florida GOP chair concerns some DeSantis backers
     
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  9. mrhansduck

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    Newsom & DeSantis debate is tonight for anyone who wanted a reminder. Thought about starting a thread on it. I think there's at least potential for a decent discussion depending on how Hannity chooses to handle his role. I at least like the fact that they reportedly won't have an audience there to pander to.

    Red and blue America square off in clash of the governors

    They are ambitious and relatively young leaders whose passionate views about running their large, powerful states offer contrasting ideals on how the deeply-polarized United States should be run.

    But Republican Florida governor Ron DeSantis and Gavin Newsom, his counterpart in Democratic California, will swap social media antagonism for an in-person televised debate Thursday that could be preview the White House race in 2028.

    The pair represent almost one in five Americans -- California is the largest US state and Florida is third -- and debate host Fox News is billing the showdown as a clash between liberal blue and conservative red America.

    The right-leaning cable network says the debate will focus on the "vastly different approaches" of the governors to issues from the economy and immigration to crime -- though both Newsom and DeSantis have broader goals.
     
  10. gator_lawyer

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    Can't think of many things I'd like to see less than Gavin Newsom and Ron DeSantis arguing with each other.
     
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  11. gtr2x

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    Never heard of em, but time to google some pics (just for informational purposes of course:cool:).
     
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  12. gator_lawyer

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    We've well surpassed the point of absurdity with the Republican clowns that DeSantis and his predecessors have put on the state courts. Today, robed politicians on the First DCA (an intermediate appellate court) ruled that they are not bound by Florida Supreme Court precedent from a decade ago (that is still good law and faithful to the Fair District Amendments in the Florida Constitution) and overruled the trial court's ruling in the Congressional redistricting case.

    We're going to reach a point where the other branches stop listening to the judiciary. And it's because of clownery like this. If these so-called "judges" can't be bothered to follow stare decisis when it is literally their duty, nobody else is going to give a shit about the rule of law.
    Gov. DeSantis' congressional redistricting map upheld by Florida appellate court
    The 1st District Court of Appeal found that decisions made by the Florida Supreme Court last decade, when it ordered the creation of a Jacksonville-to-Tallahassee congressional district that allowed Black voters to elect their preferred candidates, should not be considered binding precedent.
     
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  13. ursidman

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    Is his wife, Bridget Zeigler (1/3 of the thruple ) the same Bridget Zeigler that is Chair of a school board in FL and that DeSantis appointed to the so called “tourism board” that now oversees Disney property because Disney was judged to be bad for the lil chilrun?


    Bridget Ziegler vows transparency from position on new Tourism Oversight Board
    SARASOTA, Fla. (WWSB) - Sarasota County School Board Chair Bridget Ziegler says she’s honored to be appointed to a new board to oversee the area formally known as the Disney-controlled Reedy Creek Improvement District near Orlando.

    Ziegler will continue her role as chair of the Sarasota County School Board. “I am honored to serve the governor and Floridians. I am a mother of three, I have been a working mom of three since day one, and any mother that’s working mother knows that we are very good at juggling lots. So, I have no doubt that ill continue to do so,” said Ziegler.
     
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  14. swampbabe

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    One and the same. These people are gross
     
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  15. tampagtr

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  16. gator_lawyer

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    Y'all might think I'm overstating this. I am not. This is taken directly from the First DCA opinion:
    "Because the supreme court does not act as an appellate court in a review under article III, section 16, it also does not function judicially in a supervisory capacity as head of the branch. . . . The court in its decision in Apportionment I (and in its follow-up decision in what has become known as Apportionment II) did not review a lower court’s interpretation or application of the law. The court’s analysis in those two decisions was akin to what a trial court does when it seeks to apply the law to a certain set of facts. The court’s pronouncements in that capacity, then, should not operate as holdings of a superior appellate court. For this reason, we do not view the broad pronouncements—applied with varying degrees of clarity to the specific facts of the original proceeding—as binding in this direct appeal."

    It's just unbelievable. Literally casting aside the very foundation of our legal system: stare decisis. The Florida Supreme Court is allowed to ignore its prior decisions. An inferior appellate court is not.
     
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  17. tampagtr

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    Just so brazen. It's still hard to imagine
     
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  18. tampagtr

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    Chris Geidner points out the Eleveth Circuit issuing a logically and morally indefensible opinion essentially gutting Section 2 claims and protecting racist rules. They invoke federalism, that Congress through the VRA was limited in its ability to infringe on a states form of government in the name of protecting black voting rights


    The primary takeaway from [a] line of [Eleventh Circuit] precedent is that general principles of federalism undergird our decisions—as they must. … [W]hile the Fourteenth Amendment and VRA overcome state sovereignty in certain factual situations in the voting rights arena, we must remain mindful of state authority ….

    Building on federalism, the second critical takeaway is that we must assess a plaintiff’s proposed remedy early and strongly consider the state’s interest in maintaining its form of government when making that assessment. … And we must consider “a state’s interest in maintaining the challenged system” when “determining whether the remedy a plaintiff seeks is a feasible alternative to the challenged electoral system.



    Racist BS. This gets old to repeat, but the plain language of the Fifteenth Amendment essentially said that Congress has plenary power over states to pass legislation to ensure voting equality, and that there should be zero deference to the states states. This is the kind of argument that can only survive in the insular world of the Right Wing Legal academy, as it is such obvious nonsense to even a casual reader

    Section 1
    The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

    Section 2
    The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

    Just such BS

    The Eleventh Circuit is chipping away at what's left of the Voting Rights Act
     
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    Gross is what’s in the books and what they’re doing to children. I have a good friend who “lost a son”, I.e., transitioned in no small part due to pressure from his school, it’s admins and mental health professionals they collaborated with.
     
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  20. tampagtr

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