War in Ukraine

The U.S. might not always be the good guy, but I’m damn sure Russia is pretty much always the bad guy.

Not that such equivocations are necessary to determine the “bad guy” in Ukraine.

 

I know I don’t trust Russia for placing its country so close to so many US military bases.

 

you’ve been pushing the same basic narrative in this thread for over a year and yet Ukraine persists. I mean seriously, other than bleed and explode what has the Russian military accomplished in the past year? And you’re beating your chest about incremental advances on territory in the east of Ukraine that barely matters. I mean if they really wanted to make meaningful gains wouldn’t they attack kyiv? Odessa? Kherson? No? Gee wonder why.

outside of another huge troop surge or the western world getting bored and/or the cowards in the Republican Party winning the presidential election the best Russia can hope for now is a pyrrhic conquest of the land bridge to crimea. And that looks like best case scenario right now.

Attack On Europe: Documenting Russian Equipment Losses During The Russian Invasion Of Ukraine - Oryx

I’ve added the full list of visually confirmed combat vehicle losses. Over 13000 since the war started. Probably much lower than the real number. And probably 200-300 thousand casualties. And for what? Avdiivka? Bakhmut?

 

Patient: “Doctor, if I take this sight-restoring treatment will I see that Russia has dedicated itself to a war of attrition rather than impatient territorial conquest ?”

Doctor: “Yep!”

Patient: “Then I decline treatment.”

 

Fact Check: Probably True

 

As I've been saying this entire time, the objective was never to conquer and occupy all of Ukraine. You don't pull that off with 150,000 troops. The objective was to conquer and occupy the very strategic areas the Russians currently occupy. Much of what has happened in the past year is simply Russia defending land it annexed in February 2022 or before. The Russians don't need to conquer and occupy all of Ukraine to meet their security needs. With Ukraine mostly cut off from the Black Sea, the rest of the country is essentially a landlocked black hole.

Don't you think by now we would have seen more overt, concentrated offensives by the Russians in the past year if their goal was to occupy all of Ukraine? You guys are so far removed from reality, because you lap up the western propaganda constantly. There is no way Putin thought he could conquer and occupy the 2nd largest country in Europe with 150,000 troops. While being fully aware that Ukraine had spent the last 8 years training and putting together an arsenal. Putin waited several months before even mobilizing. The Russians don't care about Kyiv. Kyiv is useless without the Black Sea coastline and Crimea.

 

You can pretty much decide how absurd a post is based on how pretentious and over-the-top the language is ("deranged projection" and "phantasmagorical hopium"), and how much the lie is covered by language like "probably true". When proven false, the serial exaggerator will say that "I only said it was probably true!"

 

Good. You've discovered something called "propaganda". The next step is to ignore the propaganda and stop repeating it. Repeating it does not make it true, by the way.

 

The “deranged projection” part caught my eye. Your own Western sources are betraying you of late.

 

Why would Russian troops have advanced on Kiev in 2022 if they had no intention of taking it?

Putin is an idiot when it comes to military strategy, much like his predecessor in conquest, Adolf Hitler.

Putin did not mobilize early on because:
a) He didn't think he needed to. He did commit most of his special forces troops to the invasion early on, which is why he has so few (if any) 2.5 years later.
b) He did not want to alarm the Russian people unnecessarily and run the risk of a popular revolt, which has happened in Russia before. He went to great lengths to hide casualty numbers for this very reason.
c) He did not want the hassle of having to train new conscripts. He had an army of nearly three times the size of Ukraine's army and the world's largest collection of tanks.

And, no, Russia does not currently have control over the Ukrainian coastline of the Black Sea. Odesa says hello. The "objective", by your definition, has apparently not been met yet.

The land that Russia "annexed" in 2022 is not recognized by any major country or international organization as belonging to Russia.

I don't know what makes you think that your pro-Russian propaganda (and yes, if communist countries are known for something, it is propaganda) is any better than western news stories, but there are significant holes in your logic.

 

Russian plant that makes engines for tanks and other military vehicles has an explosion and catches fire.

Fire reported at Russian plant manufacturing engines for military equipment

 

“It’s impregnable.”

“Russians pay heavy price trying to take it.”

“It was insignificant.”

 

Ukraine's defense of places like Bahkmut and Avdiivka is praised by international military study organizations. The defense of Bahkmut not only cost Russia tens of thousands of soldiers, but it reduced Russia's most effective fighting force (the Wagner Group) to rubble.

If you want to review Ukraine's accomplishments so far in this war, they have:

* - destroyed about 5,000 Russian tanks
* - driven Russia's army back from the suburbs of Kiev
* - caused about 300,000 Russian casualties
* - put most of Russia's special forces troops out of action
* - destroyed the fighting capability of the Wagner Group (Russia's best fighting group)
* - killed numerous Russian generals and command staff
* - eliminated the Russian navy from operating near the Ukrainian coast or delivering supplies though Sevastopol
* - prevented Russia's air force from being a significant factor in the war
* - destroyed large numbers of air defense systems
* - broken through Russia's massive defenses (mine fields, dragon's teeth, etc.) in a couple locations
* - crossed the Dnipro River and secured a beachhead with three brigades on the other side
* - destroyed numerous ammo supplies and disrupted Russian logistics
* - made excellent use of western weapons systems for high-accuracy attacks, with no HIMARS systems known to be damaged
* - reduced Russia to shooting their own troops if they retreat from a battlefield

Anyway, back to the article:

 

It’s like praising the 2023 Gator’s defense.

 

^ Russia doesn’t need the U.S.

Look, Putin isn’t my buddy. I regard him as a globalist. And I wouldn’t want to live in Russia.

It’s just fascinating to see a country standing up to the global bully.

 

It's lies like this that have resulted in me just deciding to post less.
1. It wasn't just 150,000 troops. They had a "partial mobilization" of 300,000 more. They have 300,000 causalities (note that is wounded and killed not just killed) already, not to mentioned the very legitimate oryx link I shared with you showing more than THIRTEEN THOUSAND lost pieces of military equipment. It's also important to note that many of these figures DO NOT include PMCs, which Russia has relied upon heavily.
2. If they didn't need to conquer Ukraine nor cared about Kyiv why did they expend a great deal of energy, manpower, and equipment, and sacrifice some of their best, most elite airborne troops, to attack Kyiv at the start of the conflict? It must have been a cunning feint disguised to trick us all! HOW SMART OF THEM!
3. How have we not seen concentrated efforts? They have had thousands of causalities in the battles of Bahkmut and Avdiivka alone, not to mention the verified losses of equipment. They have purchased billions in arms from Iran and North Korea to further the war effort. They have lost 16 naval vessels and Ukraine doesn't even have a navy! I mean... they have lost almost 3,000 main battle tanks - we haven't seen losses like that from a first world power since WW2. SO please, if this is not a concentrated effort, please educate us on what a concentrated effort might look like.
4. If Russia is happy with their progress why have they sacked at least 8 senior military commanders (that we know about) since the start of the conflict? Why if they were so happy did they ultimately have to destroy the strongest PMC in Russia right after an attempted coup?

But this is the same shit from you we have seen since literally the summer of last year. Russia is playing 4-d chess, and the rest of us are idiots, and apparently, Russia is doing exactly what they want to do, everything is going according to plan and gee golly if they really wanted to win they would. They just aren't motivated to do so.... I can't believe you ACTUALLY think that is true, but again, you've argued it for a year, and I tire of fighting with someone about something that is clearly so ridiculous.

 

You're one click away from improving this thread immeasurably for yourself and incrementally for the rest of us.

For a while I thought it interesting to keep tabs on enemy propaganda, but eventually I just find it tiresome and distracting

 

Of course they are fighting for those two Gardens of Edens. Whom wouldnt?