It really is sad that a poster can't pay this team a compliment without the doom and gloomers going into attack mode.
Yeah really. A bit of hypocrisy floating around here. It’s a conflict of priorities for sure. Obviously you want a team full of great model citizens to go out and win a national championship. That falls into the “I want it all” department. But just for the sake of discussion, if the two priorities are mutually exclusive and I can have one or the other but not both, I’ll take championships thank you. I’ll also say I don’t view the teams of 06 and 08 as “a bunch of thugs”. I certainly don’t recall feeling the slightest bit embarrassed while I was out in Glendale in 06, and the overwhelming majority of the attention and notariety we attracted was from beating the crap out of damn near everyone we played. I’d take those days back in a heartbeat.
Couple of years ago this little startup my firm advised had a bright guy, HBS and all the bells and whistles on his resume, rich equity plan. But he was not happy with the pace of the company and didn’t see the vision. Left to take a CEO role at a nice company, bit of a mature entity but good paycheck and big title. We sold the company six months later for $11 billion. Guy left a $100 million payday behind. Don’t be that guy.
What is the Gator standard? That was Mullens line. Always talking about the Gator standard. Is the Gator standard starting fights with two head coaches of sec schools Vanderbilt and Missouri? Is the Gator standard appearing at a press conference dressed in a Darth Vader costume? Then destroying the football program because you can’t and won’t recruit. Is that the Gator standard? Explain the Gator standard!
> I've always said I'd rather be a Vandy fan than win with thugs. Winning is not worth selling out for. That’s my opinion. Class is more important than championships.
All the talk of the Gator Standard has me thinking what is the Gator Standard? And how similar is it to the Bama standard? The UGA standard? The OSU standard? I’m wondering if they’re essentially the same in words. The biggest difference being to them it’s just rhetoric. I think Urban got it. He just lost control.
Funny how I asked about which thugs we had in 06/08 and got no response from the pro-thug crowd. Hernandez turned into a thug-but there's not much evidence he did a lot while in G-ville. And he wasn't on the 06 team. About the thug/ choir boy comment. Joakim Noah was no choir boy, but he certainly wasn't a thug. (Lee Humphrey was probably a choir boy- maybe literally.) Noah had an edge to him- and I agree we do need that. But straight out Miami type thugs like we saw this weekend in the Miami/ Ville game. Throwing hands/ fighting/ undisciplined/ idiotic/ type players? No thanks.
Champions of Life? I'm not ready to give up on Napier just yet, but when we're talking about having a team full of nice boys in late November, rather than what needs to happen for us to compete for a championship, something is wrong in Hogtown.
Actually Clemson did. Won 2x with high character guys. Graduating almost everyone, etc. I don't know as much about Bama, but the ones I do know are pretty high character. Tua, Hurts, Najee Harris. I'm sure there are many more... So you CAN win with high character guys... Having said that- of course we need to get better. Cover better, block better, tackle better, COACH better... But going with Miami type thugs who can't get through a game without throwing hands is not the answer.
yeah but those guys aren't the whole team. We had Tebow and Wuerfel but there were plenty of others that weren't. Bama had numerous starters with gun and robbery problems, UGAG had the drag racing genius among others. Those Miami teams and FSU teams that won Nattys had plenty of trouble makers. Just saying that the face of the program is often squeaky clean (Tua, Hurts, Tebow, Beck, Ward, Dorsey, etc) but the ones on Defense usually or OL have nasty streaks that win you games.
