Netanyahu tells Israel ‘We are at war’ after Hamas launches an unprecedented attack, killing at leas

Hey duchen, thank you for all of the information you are providing. I may not agree with you on many issues but very much do in this one.

 

Gunfire outside the Shifra hospital and reports that troops are going room to room. Of course, one asks the question: why are there people shooting at Israeli troops in hospital grounds? Shifa doctor says staff hiding from gunfire during Israeli raid

 

In the battle for Mosul, ISIS used tactics that Hamas is using. Occupying hospitals, schools etc. The US bombed a hospital used by ISIS as a headquarters. You may relent the worldwide outcry and demonstrations when Allie’s in Iraq engaged in urban warfare and civilians were killed. If so, you have a better memory than I do. Airstrikes Take Out IS Headquarters in Mosul Hospital. And here is another example where a hospital in “partial use” was bombed when soldiers were fired on. Article cites other examples. Iraq: US bombs Mosul hospital – Middle East Monitor.

 

Oops. How did the BBC get this wrong? Like they got the hospital bombing wrong?https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...geting-medical-staff-arabic-speakers-in-gaza/

 

The UN calculates more Than 300,000 civilian deaths in the war in Syria. Syria: Decade of brutal war left nearly 307,000 civilians dead Proxy war involving Iran and it’s proxies, US and it’s proxies and Turkey.

 

I watched most of this documentary last night and feel like I learned a bit at least about Ein el-Helweh (also spelled as Ain al-Hilweh) in Lebanon. Read a bit during and after and didn't realize that there are 68 "refugee camps" in Syria, Gaza, Jordan, Lebanon, and the West Bank. According to Wikipedia, these refugee camps were created by a UN agency during the 1948 Palestinian War (a/k/a the Israeli War of Independence) and the Six-Day War in 1967.

Anyway, as someone who's felt deficient in my historical knowledge, it was insightful though it's more personal than a call for action - and obviously not meant to provide the Israel perspective. There are some interesting moments, in fact, where a couple of his Palestinian family members seem to place more blame on the Palestinian and Arab leaders for their predicament than on Israel.

A World Not Ours (2012) ⭐ 7.9 | Documentary, Biography, History

A World Not Ours (2012) - Plot - IMDb

A World Not Ours is a dazzling act of first person filmmaking that hits notes on a far-ranging emotional scale from tears to laughter. Director Mahdi Fleifel makes us feel for his family, friends and home as strongly as if they were our own. His themes are universal, yet they are also rooted in a specific place that you've probably never seen in a movie before: the Palestinian refugee camp of Ain El-Helweh in Lebanon. Mahdi spent his formative years in the camp in the 1980s before his family settled in Denmark. For years, he's been returning and keeping a video diary. At the heart of the film is Mahdi's relationship to his friend Abu Eyad. They share an obsession with World Cup soccer and Palestinian politics, but Mahdi has the ability to come and go while Abu Eyad does not. That inequity makes their friendship extra precious and also susceptible to tension. Mahdi inherited a compulsion for videotaping from his father and he draws upon a lively family archive. The film is peppered with allusions to western influences from Michael Jackson to Rambo to Neil Young; and scored with nostalgic music befitting a Woody Allen soundtrack. For western viewers, those familiar touchstones - along with Mahdi's witty narration in English - help us to project ourselves into a world that's foreign in many other ways. Ain El-Helweh translates as "Sweet Spring." It's an ironic name for a place hastily built in 1948 that now houses 70,000 refugees in an area of one square kilometer. As we eavesdrop on Mahdi's conversations with the camp residents, we hear an unfiltered take on Palestinian grievances with their own political leaders, Lebanon and Israel. The seven decades since Ain El-Helweh was built have been packed with tumultuous history and Mahdi's personal journey is an inviting way to process it. Maybe you've never heard of Ain El-Helweh before, but after this film you'll never forget it.

• Thom Powers (Toronto International Film Festival 2012)

 

Objections by US groups to giving Israel artillery shells. They expect Israel to follow “International norms.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/11/13/israel-us-155mm-artillery/. They really don’t. Because the examples cited above in Syria and Iraq are the international practice.

 

They found a command center in the hospital. Combat equipment. Shot terrorists. Most of the world has accepted the word of doctors and others who are working in that hospital about many things— all while under the thumb of Hamas. People should be ashamed of themselves— especially those countries who are involved in Iraq and Syria. Just as they did there, those counties would have shot up or bombed the hospitals and killed civilians unapologetically. Israel did not even if they would have acted legally under international
Law. The attacks on Israel have been exposed for the blood libels they are. IDF reveals: Hamas command center located in Shifa Hospital

 

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Excellent point for some reason I don't recall demonstrations in the US and around the world protesting the atrocities committed by Assad and backed by his proxies against his fellow Syrians. You forget to mention in the role of Russia. Were it not for Russia perhaps even more so than Iran, Bashar al-Assad may have very well been defeated and speaking of the deaths of civilians especially children let's also not forget this.
Putin’s poisons: 2017 attack in Syria
Tenth Anniversary of the Ghouta, Syria Chemical Weapons Attack - United States Department of State
Russian intervention in the Syrian civil war - Wikipedia

 

This is such a stupid line of argument. The USA doesn't give Assad weapons and aid! We don't have a special or even friendly relationship with Syria! People are protesting because they don't want to be complicit in killing people by virtue of their citizenship! My tax dollars are killing civilians in Palestine, not Syria.

 

Agreed. There were PLENTY of protests of the Iraq war and the killing of innocents there by American forces.

 

If you want to be and act like an empire, nothings going to change, the ruling class or whatever you want to call it are going to try to rule abroad and at home. Everything we do abroad, we bring home eventually. Sell arms abroad, sell them at home. Subjugate Iraqis (or whoever is displeasing us) with the military and economic warfare, use those methods and weapons to police people or organizations back home when they get out of line. Fight the war on 'terrorism' by spying on our own people, and training them to spy on their fellow Americans. If you are for American empire abroad, you are for the subjugation of our own citizens through erosions of our own liberties as we try to contain the blowback and resistance. That's how empires work.

 

Unless you are my dead grandfathers age, you arent old enough to have lived in a time where this was true lol